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RE: Religion - BAndrew - 04-30-2014 @Ghieri Don't you know? The Bible doesn't mean it literally. Suddenly this becomes a self-defence when you don't have anything else to say to support your belief. @Dogfood Continuing from Ghieri's point (that you also have stated): Quote:Not to be a dick, but you've kind of been dismissing our arguments because you "have faith". So you might be open to most things, but questioning religion isn't one of them, yes? Are you so blind that you can't accept simple facts? I mean you aren't going to change your mind ever, no matter what evidence or aguments we provide you. Even if I (hypothetically) prove mathematically or experimentally that God doesn't exist you would deny it just because "You have faith". We don't say that you should stop believing, but dismissing everything, even if it is obvious (like 1+1=2, which has been proved), that goes against your faith means you are brainwashed. For example, despite the countless references to the Bible you still don't accept that it says Earth is flat. RE: Religion - eliasfrost - 04-30-2014 Quote:Are you so blind that you can't accept simple facts? I mean you aren't going to change your mind ever, no matter what evidence or aguments we provide you. Even if I (hypothetically) prove mathematically or experimentally that God doesn't exist you would deny it just because "You have faith". I just read this as: "You should stop believing but you shouldn't stop believing but this here evidence should make you stop believing but you don't have to. Are you brainwashed?" I can't make sense of it sorry. RE: Religion - BAndrew - 04-30-2014 @eliasfrost Hint: You read it wrong RE: Religion - eliasfrost - 04-30-2014 (04-30-2014, 11:22 PM)BAndrew Wrote: @eliasfrost Care to explain what you meant? RE: Religion - Nice - 04-30-2014 I said i'm done for today so that means i'm avoiding and denying your ultimate truth? You're making bullshit up and putting words in my mouth. Where did I deny things by saying "it's faith?" Nowhere, I said that some of my own examples, "evidence" from my side comes from faith alone however I never used that to support myself in the free will thing, nor the Earth is round, flat, triangle whatever. I'm done with this thread now because -no offense- it feels like talking to a wall, except that a wall would not make up false accusations by putting words in my mouth. Without a doubt you once again see this as me dismissing things, or how brainwashed I am. In which case i'll just resolve to a good ol' fuck you but have a nice day <3 Enjoy your pride and hopefully our next talk will be a bit more casual and chill - peace RE: Religion - BAndrew - 04-30-2014 @eliasfrost Step by step: The fact that it is true and he should accept (let's call it fact A) A: Bible suggests that the Earth is flat. 1. We presented him strong evidence 2. However, he won't change his mind about this because of his faith 3. Therefore his faith restrains his ability to think independently (which is in other words the definition for brainwashing) However I am not saying he should not believe in general (That's a personal choice). The point is that he sould accept A unless he is brainwashed or blinded by his faith. RE: Religion - eliasfrost - 04-30-2014 So this is all about something as trifling as whether the world is flat or not? Geez, I'm pretty sure Dogfood doesn't believe the world is flat but he understands that the bible (and other scriptures) talk in metaphore rather than straight-up facts, I thought that was a given. RE: Religion - Ghieri - 04-30-2014 Can't speak for BAndrew, but I did not take your "Done for the day" as "LOL im rite ur rong" I was referring to these: Quote:I think it's pointless and goes nowhere because atheists demand a scientific evidence of a concept that relies on faith. Quote:"evidence" from my side comes from faith alone Faith > Evidence Quote:As Kman have said, no one has even changed their personal belief because of a debate on the internet. "I'm not changing my mind." Quote: Also I like to think that our existence, the planet existence heck the whole existence of the world is more than just a side effect of some natural events. "I like the idea so I'm going to just stick with it." Quote:I dont expect faith to get me anywhere its just a personal thing. "It's part of my identity, so I don't want to change it." If I'm reading into this too deeply, please correct me. But it certainly sounds like it. Also, the "talking to the wall" thing is kind of ironic, since you said yourself: Quote:As Kman have said, no one has even changed their personal belief because of a debate on the internet. RE: Religion - BAndrew - 04-30-2014 (04-30-2014, 08:53 PM)Dogfood Wrote: I think it's pointless and goes nowhere because atheists demand a scientific evidence of a concept that relies on faith. Aaaanyways, I dont expect anyone to believe this, not at all. Which is EXACTLY my point why it's hard to debate a concept that relies on faith to a person that demands a concrete evidence on every single claim. (04-30-2014, 09:22 PM)Dogfood Wrote: ^ point of this is just to let you know that even though I follow religion i'm open to everything. (04-30-2014, 11:31 PM)Dogfood Wrote: I said i'm done for today so that means i'm avoiding and denying your ultimate truth? You're making bullshit up and putting words in my mouth. Where did I deny things by saying "it's faith?" Nowhere.it feels like talking to a wall, except that a wall would not make up false accusations by putting words in my mouth. As we can see above you NEVER said that or did that... RE: Religion - PutraenusAlivius - 05-01-2014 (04-30-2014, 08:53 PM)Dogfood Wrote: Now in modern days, religion is friendly to science, Tell that to my previous religion that says that Evolution is false. |