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(02-19-2013, 07:57 PM)martinnord Wrote: Im not saying im approving of what the guy is saying but what you're saying is abselutely ridiculous criso.
Should the guy not be allowed to criticize a game simply because he could not do better himself?
Though with an arrogant style to it he clearly tries to come with proper arguments for his claims so theres nothing wrong with him criticizing it IMO.
Of you course also have the right to counter his arguments but of all the smart things in the world you could have said you come with the silly "you could not have done it better yourself".

You are correct, but with the authoritarianism he has in the way he has written his "critique" is nothing but slander. I'm not particularly angry at it, I'm rather put off by it. It's like when someone comments on your drawing or 3D model and says, "it's ok, but not good I bet I could do better," in which you proceed to see what they draw or model, and it's complete crap (insert horrible sonic fanfiction drawing here).

It wasn't so much as a critic as it was a, "I know how to make you better, listen to me, because I'm all-knowning". Even if he wasn't trying to do that, he did it. O:

I believe I'm correct in saying, "try doing it yourself and maintain the same quality through a generation of games, without taking too much deviation from the original". It could be easy, to some extent, but it is bloody hard to make something seem new, if you're using the original stuff or at least referencing the original.

(02-19-2013, 08:09 PM)Minecrawler Wrote:

(02-19-2013, 07:48 PM)martinnord Wrote: I think that the main problem with your way of thinking is that you fail to properly seperate Main-character and player. Being immersed into the game does not mean you automatically become Daniel. You're still you, but you inside the game's world if immersion is right. When you use "I", its as if the Main character's head is trying to force himself onto the player.

That's exactly what I want to improve. The problem of Amnesia is that you feels like to be Daniel and not you. The goal of immersion is not when you play a game character. The goal is when you feels like YOU are the game character.

And therefore when I say "I have to find a key" that means I am in the game and thinking for myself or write my own mementos. But when the player said "You have to find a key" that means you are not in the game and the player is just talking to you.

(02-19-2013, 08:07 PM)Zgroktar Wrote: Amnesia still fells less like one than all others, especially compared with Penumbra with it's combat and all other common game features which were removed.

(02-19-2013, 08:16 PM)Zgroktar Wrote: You've totally missed the point of Amnesia, Daniel is not some mute Half-life like character which you can easily pretend to be. The point of the game is to play in Daniel's shoes, uncover his dark past, and discover what lies ahead. There is nothing you can take personal here, it is his journey, not yours.

(02-19-2013, 08:18 PM)Minecrawler Wrote:

(02-19-2013, 08:07 PM)Zgroktar Wrote: Amnesia still fells less like one than all others, especially compared with Penumbra with it's combat and all other common game features which were removed.

Penumbra has no "combat" it is not a system to kill enemies! That's what people also don't understand. The goal of Penumbra never was to fight back like a superhero. The "combat" is just a very good idea to improve complexity of the game to solve puzzles and other stuff. Anyway, that are not "weapons" it's meaned just as "tools". Well, the player will be able to fight, but it's heavy to handle and not really the goal of the game.

I think, it's more bad when the mechanics are like in Amnesia, when you hear a monster and then hide and wait... after one minute the music is stopping and the monster is removed for ever. That's bad. In penumbra the monsters get never removed by the game. So, a further problem of Amnesia's horror mechanics.

(02-19-2013, 08:18 PM)Minecrawler Wrote:

(02-19-2013, 08:07 PM)Zgroktar Wrote: Amnesia still fells less like one than all others, especially compared with Penumbra with it's combat and all other common game features which were removed.

Penumbra has no "combat" it is not a system to kill enemies! That's what people also don't understand. The goal of Penumbra never was to fight back like a superhero. The "combat" is just a very good idea to improve complexity of the game to solve puzzles and other stuff. Anyway, that are not "weapons" it's meaned just as "tools". Well, the player will be able to fight, but it's heavy to handle and not really the goal of the game.

I think, it's more bad when the mechanics are like in Amnesia, when you hear a monster and then hide and wait... after one minute the music is stopping and the monster is removed for ever. That's bad. In penumbra the monsters get never removed by the game. So, a further problem of Amnesia's horror mechanics.

(02-19-2013, 08:18 PM)Minecrawler Wrote:

(02-19-2013, 08:07 PM)Zgroktar Wrote: Amnesia still fells less like one than all others, especially compared with Penumbra with it's combat and all other common game features which were removed.

Penumbra has no "combat" it is not a system to kill enemies! That's what people also don't understand. The goal of Penumbra never was to fight back like a superhero. The "combat" is just a very good idea to improve complexity of the game to solve puzzles and other stuff. Anyway, that are not "weapons" it's meaned just as "tools". Well, the player will be able to fight, but it's heavy to handle and not really the goal of the game.

I think, it's more bad when the mechanics are like in Amnesia, when you hear a monster and then hide and wait... after one minute the music is stopping and the monster is removed for ever. That's bad. In penumbra the monsters get never removed by the game. So, a further problem of Amnesia's horror mechanics.

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(02-19-2013, 08:16 PM)Zgroktar Wrote: You've totally missed the point of Amnesia, Daniel is not some mute Half-life like character which you can easily pretend to be. The point of the game is to play in Daniel's shoes, uncover his dark past, and discover what lies ahead. There is nothing you can take personal here, it is his journey, not yours.

But as Traggey said, you are playing him.
There is no Daniel, you are Daniel. You are you.

(02-19-2013, 08:30 PM)Zgroktar Wrote:

(02-19-2013, 08:18 PM)Minecrawler Wrote: But as Traggey said, you are playing him.
There is no Daniel, you are Daniel. You are you.

That just doesn't make any sense.

(02-19-2013, 08:26 PM)Zgroktar Wrote: Considering you opinion about combat, yes that was the idea in theory. But practically it was just a lousy combat system which could have been abused and cheated in many ways, that is why it was removed, it just didn't worked.

While I also don't like the monster mechanics in Amnesia altogether, it still provides a decent edge, and many unpleasant surprises which constantly keeps you on your guard. But yes, that could be further improved.

Quote: An other example is when there's a locked door:

"It's locked, you must find an other way around."

"It seems to be locked, perhaps I have to find an other way around."

Which text do you think is better for immersion and credibility?

Quote: Penumbra has no "combat" it is not a system to kill enemies! That's what people also don't understand. The goal of Penumbra never was to fight back like a superhero. The "combat" is just a very good idea to improve complexity of the game to solve puzzles and other stuff. Anyway, that are not "weapons" it's meaned just as "tools". Well, the player will be able to fight, but it's heavy to handle and not really the goal of the
game.

(02-19-2013, 08:40 PM)Hirnwirbel Wrote: Neither, for the reasons I already stated. The best thing for me would be a handwritten-looking note that simply says "Door in cellar is locked." or "Find way around locked door". Notes that sound like something I'd actually write, since I don't give instructions to myself by saying "I should do..." .

(02-19-2013, 08:40 PM)Hirnwirbel Wrote: Actually, the BEST thing for me would be an empty notebook into which I can write notes myself. Unfortunately, not many games have such a thing, especially not modern ones.