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RE: What is disturbing? - Statyk - 04-30-2014
Another "Disturbingness Thread". Let's keep this one under control this time. I only had to delete one post here, so hopefully we can keep it that way. I have faith in you <3
Of course, no gore, gore porn, any form of real sexual imagery (surreal is okay in most cases), or anything just COMPLETELY inappropriate. Thanks guys and gals =]
I updated the original post to put the image in spoilers and a couple rules.
RE: What is disturbing? - Nice - 04-30-2014
(04-30-2014, 02:21 PM)Statyk Wrote: form of real sexual imagery (surreal is okay
WOOOOOOOO bring on the hentai!
RE: What is disturbing? - FlawlessHappiness - 04-30-2014
(04-30-2014, 02:21 PM)Statyk Wrote: Another "Disturbingness Thread". Let's keep this one under control this time. I only had to delete one post here, so hopefully we can keep it that way. I have faith in you <3
Of course, no gore, gore porn, any form of real sexual imagery (surreal is okay in most cases), or anything just COMPLETELY inappropriate. Thanks guys and gals =]
I updated the original post to put the image in spoilers and a couple rules.
Thanks Statyk!
I was not sure whether there had been a "Disturbingness" thread, but I really want to see pictures like those I've posted myself.
Thanks for the rules too! I see I wasn't specific enough.
I too hope people can contain themselves
RE: What is disturbing? - eliasfrost - 04-30-2014
Insanity basically. The thought of losing control of yourself to yourself is a thing that creeps me out a lot. But it's also why I'm fascinated by mental illnesses and psychology.
RE: What is disturbing? - FlawlessHappiness - 04-30-2014
Can I dump a theory here that we are also interested in what we think is disturbing?
RE: What is disturbing? - PutraenusAlivius - 04-30-2014
I think that what we think as disturbing is maybe that we think as something somewhat uncomfortable. It could be a vestigial remnant from our ancestors.
RE: What is disturbing? - FlawlessHappiness - 04-30-2014
(04-30-2014, 03:32 PM)SomethingRidiculous Wrote: I think that what we think as disturbing is maybe that we think as something somewhat uncomfortable. It could be a vestigial remnant from our ancestors.
That sentence had a lot of thinking.
I'm guessing what you meant was:
We think something is disturbing because it makes us uncomfortable?
RE: What is disturbing? - PutraenusAlivius - 04-30-2014
(04-30-2014, 03:39 PM)FlawlessHappiness Wrote:(04-30-2014, 03:32 PM)SomethingRidiculous Wrote: I think that what we think as disturbing is maybe that we think as something somewhat uncomfortable. It could be a vestigial remnant from our ancestors.
That sentence had a lot of thinking.
I'm guessing what you meant was:
We think something is disturbing because it makes us uncomfortable?
Yes!
Also, I stumbled on Freud's Uncanny concept.
To quote Wikipedia:
"The uncanny is a Freudian concept of an instance where something can be both familiar yet alien at the same time, resulting in a feeling of it being uncomfortably strange. Because the uncanny is familiar, yet incongruous, it often creates cognitive dissonance within the experiencing subject, due to the paradoxical nature of being simultaneously attracted to yet repulsed by an object. This cognitive dissonance often leads to an outright rejection of the object, as one would rather reject than rationalize, as in the uncanny valley effect."
This could explain why things can be disturbing. If the object is a doll then we applied it with this concept, the doll is familiar, as in human-like, but it's also uncomfortably strange. The doll looks human, but it's an inanimate object. It can't move, talk, eat, or even interact! It's so odd, yet familiar.
This creates a cognitive dissonance, because you're both attracted and rejected to the doll itself.
RE: What is disturbing? - FlawlessHappiness - 04-30-2014
(04-30-2014, 03:47 PM)SomethingRidiculous Wrote:(04-30-2014, 03:39 PM)FlawlessHappiness Wrote:(04-30-2014, 03:32 PM)SomethingRidiculous Wrote: I think that what we think as disturbing is maybe that we think as something somewhat uncomfortable. It could be a vestigial remnant from our ancestors.
That sentence had a lot of thinking.
I'm guessing what you meant was:
We think something is disturbing because it makes us uncomfortable?
Yes!
Also, I stumbled on Freud's Uncanny concept.
To quote Wikipedia:
"The uncanny is a Freudian concept of an instance where something can be both familiar yet alien at the same time, resulting in a feeling of it being uncomfortably strange. Because the uncanny is familiar, yet incongruous, it often creates cognitive dissonance within the experiencing subject, due to the paradoxical nature of being simultaneously attracted to yet repulsed by an object. This cognitive dissonance often leads to an outright rejection of the object, as one would rather reject than rationalize, as in the uncanny valley effect."
This could explain why things can be disturbing. If the object is a doll then we applied it with this concept, the doll is familiar, as in human-like, but it's also uncomfortably strange. The doll looks human, but it's an inanimate object. It can't move, talk, eat, or even interact! It's so odd, yet familiar.
This creates a cognitive dissonance, because you're both attracted and rejected to the doll itself.
Yup. This is the best form of horror too, IMO.
When something looks familia but isn't exactly that...
RE: What is disturbing? - eliasfrost - 04-30-2014
(04-30-2014, 03:47 PM)SomethingRidiculous Wrote:(04-30-2014, 03:39 PM)FlawlessHappiness Wrote:(04-30-2014, 03:32 PM)SomethingRidiculous Wrote: I think that what we think as disturbing is maybe that we think as something somewhat uncomfortable. It could be a vestigial remnant from our ancestors.
That sentence had a lot of thinking.
I'm guessing what you meant was:
We think something is disturbing because it makes us uncomfortable?
Yes!
Also, I stumbled on Freud's Uncanny concept.
To quote Wikipedia:
"The uncanny is a Freudian concept of an instance where something can be both familiar yet alien at the same time, resulting in a feeling of it being uncomfortably strange. Because the uncanny is familiar, yet incongruous, it often creates cognitive dissonance within the experiencing subject, due to the paradoxical nature of being simultaneously attracted to yet repulsed by an object. This cognitive dissonance often leads to an outright rejection of the object, as one would rather reject than rationalize, as in the uncanny valley effect."
This could explain why things can be disturbing. If the object is a doll then we applied it with this concept, the doll is familiar, as in human-like, but it's also uncomfortably strange. The doll looks human, but it's an inanimate object. It can't move, talk, eat, or even interact! It's so odd, yet familiar.
This creates a cognitive dissonance, because you're both attracted and rejected to the doll itself.
This is basically what I've been arguing for the past six or so years. Especially in combination with movies, games and books. There's a reason why there are lots of scenarios in non-horror games that are extremely frightening and disturbing, because the unnatural clashes with the normal in such a way that it can't be reasoned with and thus it becomes uncomfortable. That's why a lot of horror games don't freak me out, because they are tailored to be scary and it makes them predictable.
I thought the story behind/of The Master in Fallout was horrifying, because it was so out of place in the yet unrealistic Fallout universe. Or the Shalebridge Cradle (again), even some of uncanny lore in The Elder Scrolls is unreasonably unsettling, because it clashes with the established normality of the world. It's a slight of hand so skillfully managed that I can't have nothing but great respect for those who successfully pulls it off.