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RE: How much violence is OK for a video game? - Mudbill - 12-17-2014
Traggey did a good job voice acting the trailer though xP
RE: How much violence is OK for a video game? - i3670 - 12-17-2014
You can make a game about child porn, but you'll have a rough ass time trying to publish and market it. The only people you can sell it to are pedophiles who'll get arrested for buying it since it's against the law to own pornography with actors beneath the age of 18.
Basically the flaw is that child porn is not socially accepted, whereras the gunning down of imaginary civilians is, by the majority that is.
RE: How much violence is OK for a video game? - Red - 12-17-2014
Rich's take on the game.
RE: How much violence is OK for a video game? - Wooderson - 12-17-2014
(12-17-2014, 05:25 PM)Googolplex Wrote:(12-17-2014, 05:15 PM)Dogfood Wrote: ... use whatever gruesome and realistic ways to show violence.
I don't agree that violence should be shown in any ways. It's the same if there would be a game in which the goal is to fuck children.
It is simply not OK to make such games.
Say goodbye to pretty 80+% of video games then, including many of your own favourites.
Honestly, Totalbiscuit has covered this topic better than anyone.
RE: How much violence is OK for a video game? - Kreekakon - 12-17-2014
Here is my personal take on the game:
From an objective standpoint on its "right to exist", I would say this game has every proper right to exist. Games, and movies with all sorts of varying content exist with some having probably more disturbing content than this has. It does not matter if this may not be very good, or may be tasteless. As long as it is not blatantly illegal, and the seller does not wish to take it down (Which they can do if they want to) then it can by all means be sold and bought to those who wish to do it.
Moving on though, I want to touch on WHY people think this is offensive. Reflect on this notion for a few seconds: Don't you think that it isn't the smallest strange why THIS game in particular invokes such a response in us when other games like GTA 5, Mortal Kombat, FEAR, etc have not?
Sure it may just be human nature pushing us to be hypocrites, but I don't believe that such a different mental reaction can come without a real reason. Take this for example: If you changed all the innocent civilians to zombies then I think MUCH MUCH more people would enjoy it without calling out on anything. If that's the case then I think the source of offense really does come from the killing of civilians.
My personal take on why it appears to be so tasteless is a slight more than the fact that you are killing civilians in the trailer. I'll compare it to the GTA series for this. Did you ever wonder why you had no problem shooting them in that game:
GTA: They are generally very comical, and not taken seriously. The degree to which the civilians react to their own demise is not all that personal, or up-close either.
Hatred: At least from the trailer, the game treats the deaths, and fear of the civilians MUCH more seriously (As in darker). You have people literally crying, and begging for mercy in a way that is never seen in the more light-hearted GTA and the player can go ahead and kill them anyways.
So the reason I think this has turned out offensive for many people is that while you are doing the same thing that you do in GTA it is much much darker, and shock inducing.
RE: How much violence is OK for a video game? - Wooderson - 12-17-2014
(12-17-2014, 07:44 PM)Kreekakon Wrote: GTA: They are generally very comical, and not taken seriously. The degree to which the civilians react to their own demise is not all that personal, or up-close either.
Hatred: At least from the trailer, the game treats the deaths, and fear of the civilians MUCH more seriously (As in darker). You have people literally crying, and begging for mercy in a way that is never seen in the more light-hearted GTA and the player can go ahead and kill them anyways.
So the reason I think this has turned out offensive for many people is that while you are doing the same thing that you do in GTA it is much much darker, and shock inducing.
Reminds of the argument about the representation of violence and how comic violence is more acceptable than a more realistic violence. I mean, if you show the horrific consequences of the pain you have caused then its more likely to strike a more emotional response. Whether it be that you dislike it because its horrific or if you get a kick out of it because you're a sadist.
RE: How much violence is OK for a video game? - Traggey - 12-17-2014
Hahaha oh Mudbill + 1 <3
Alright so basicly, anything should be alowed aslong as it is not illegal, banning something is censorship and THAT is the true bullshit here, the fact that Valve put the game back on steam only shows what kind of hypocritical BS it is to take something like it down.
People are alowed to create whatever the frick they want, and consumers are alowed to purchase it if they wish, this game was greenlit and many many thousands of users wanted the game, an adult should be able to choose what kind of entertainment they consume, THE END.
Claiming stuff like this is immoral and whatever is completely up to your own view on things and has nothing to do with anything, I am adult, I choose to do whatever the heck I want to do aslong as I am not breaking any laws, the theories that video games cause voilent behaviour and sexism have since long been debunked and NORMAL HEALTHY people are fully capable of telling reality apart from entertainment.
I am personally not interested in buying the game, it doesn't look like something I'd have too much fun with, but I am happy the game exists for those out there who wish to play it, kudos to the developers for going strong after having this shitfest thrown at them.
RE: How much violence is OK for a video game? - Googolplex - 12-17-2014
Valve took it back to Steam because they make money with it.
RE: How much violence is OK for a video game? - Traggey - 12-17-2014
Stop making shit up Googol.
This has nothing to do with money, Valve litteraly wipes their bums with million dollar bills.
From Gabe Newell himself.
“Hi, Jaroslaw.
“Yesterday I heard that we were taking Hatred down from Greenlight. Since I wasn’t up to speed, I asked around internally to find out why we had done that. It turns out that it wasn’t a good decision, and we’ll be putting Hatred back up. My apologies to you and your team. Steam is about creating tools for content creators and customers.
“Good luck with your game.”
Valve does not Censor games, that's why. They already have games such as Postal on their service, in which you can rip a womans head of and piss into it.
Online movie services host films like SAW and The Human Centipede, both of which I can asure you are worse than anything you see in this game. Yet noone really bitches about that, people love the saw films, and if someone doesn't, they just don't watch it, simple as that.
RE: How much violence is OK for a video game? - Kurton - 12-17-2014
Props to whoever wrote the opening dialogue for that trailer, it has me in stitches every time I see this video