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The truth behind Agrippa (and Alexander [spoilers]). - Smithens - 02-18-2011 In other words... Whose the real bad guy? This thread is mainly meant to discuss Agrippa's true motives and theories behind his goals and origins. Unless you want your virgin eyes to be deflowered by major spoilers, read no further. I'll keep my post spoiler-protected for safety's sake. Spoiler below!
tl;dr: There's lots of mystery surrounding Agrippa and his true motives in the game, so what is his true origin? Is he the real bad guy? Feel free to post your suggestions. RE: The truth behind Agrippa (spoilers). - Tintin - 02-18-2011 Very interesting thoughts. Thanks for sharing. I too think Agrippa wasn't as innocent as he was made out to be. But I would argue that Alexander did take great pleasure in torturing and killing his victims and manipulating Daniel. His attitude throughout the game reflects an unbalanced mind. I would also argue that just because Alexander is probably a supernatural being and was banished from his homeworld, doesn't mean that he wasn't in the wrong. He could have betrayed others and the banishment may have been his just punishment. If he was able to return to his homeworld, it's very likely that Alexander would have spread great chaos and destroyed those who banished him. Think God and Lucifer. Even if you don't believe the Bible is true, it can't be argued that God is seen as absolute good and Lucifer in his betrayl of God becomes the very abscence of absolute good. After he betrays God, he is banished from God's Kingdom. I think Alexander's situation is similar up to a point. He did some great wrong, was punished for it and worked for many, many centuries at finding a way to return to his homeworld. He's hardly innocent. RE: The truth behind Agrippa (spoilers). - Smithens - 02-18-2011 Good points, Tintin. But about his attitude; one might think that his personality (based on external observation) is unbalanced for human standards. The way he goes about harming Daniel and maliciously torturing people is nonchalant, cold, and calculated. But Alexander is hardly human. He comes from a higher society of beings, and his disregard for human life can easily be explained by this. Alexander may or may not be sadistic, but he is definitely an "ends justify the means" sort of fellow, which can be considered pretty "evil" no matter how noble his intentions are. Despite what I just said, I believe that he intends to return to his world for noble intentions, not to wreck havoc. It's only been implied that he was forcefully cast out of his old world somehow, we don't know the reasons or whether or not it was an accident. I think that the old man just wants to get back to his wife. He mentions in one of the notes that he wishes to be reunited with his "love." E: Also, since we seem to be discussing Alexander too, I changed the topic title ![]() RE: The truth behind Agrippa (and Alexander [spoilers]). - Zoridium JackL - 02-18-2011 just felt like pointing out hat the reason the shadow is chasing daniel is the he still has the orb, it left Agrippa because he didn't have the orb... if the shadow had the orb, i doubt it would have really cared what daniel did. RE: The truth behind Agrippa (and Alexander [spoilers]). - Smithens - 02-18-2011 (02-18-2011, 03:49 AM)Zoridium JackL Wrote: just felt like pointing out hat the reason the shadow is chasing daniel is the he still has the orb, it left Agrippa because he didn't have the orb... if the shadow had the orb, i doubt it would have really cared what daniel did. Except that Alexander took the orb from Daniel and brought it to his inner sanctum. Why didn't the shadow just pursue and kill Alexander? There were multiple points in the game where it was obvious that the shadow was going for Daniel specifically (example). Also, Daniel didn't carry it with him everywhere before he went to Brennenberg. He often left it at his house, I believe. Once you touch the orb, you're cursed until you're dead. RE: The truth behind Agrippa (and Alexander [spoilers]). - LuckyBlackCatXIII - 02-18-2011 These are all very good points and very interesting to read since I remember pondering over what Alexander had to say in the end but I would like to voice my opinion one one part of it: You say Alexander doesn't enjoy the killing, murdering, torturing etc but I'd have to disagree. Listening to all the memory audio clips (which I have repeatedly listened to all of them because I am ridiculously obsessed with this game /sob) there are many moments where the baron's tone clearly shows he's enjoying the 'labor' far more than one should. The ones that come to mind right now would be when he's explaining the procedures of torture to Daniel, both on how the pipes work and the wheel. The parts from both I believe show pleasure would be: Pipes: "...manage your victims well and let one prisoner's pain instill terror in his cell mate" The Wheel: "But the forte of the wheel is the gaps. When you have decided that the victim shall die, you can smash their limbs with a hammer, making them fold in-between the frames....no don't worry. The human body is much more resilient. They can survive for days until they finally succumb" (If you want to hear for yourself the full audio parts can be found here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKpbcJVpl1I at points 8:46 - 9:15 and 11:51 - 12:34 ) You could argue he might sound enthusiastic in an effort to get Daniel into the killings (which personally I would find that more of a turn off imo) or I could be over analyzing it but that's how I see it...er...hear it. RE: The truth behind Agrippa (and Alexander [spoilers]). - Zoridium JackL - 02-18-2011 (02-18-2011, 07:02 AM)Smithens Wrote:(02-18-2011, 03:49 AM)Zoridium JackL Wrote: just felt like pointing out hat the reason the shadow is chasing daniel is the he still has the orb, it left Agrippa because he didn't have the orb... if the shadow had the orb, i doubt it would have really cared what daniel did. firstly, that may just be because it is travelling in the same direction, and secondly, there are points in the game where you are litterally following a path the shadow has already taken, which means it has overtaken you at some point, meaning it isn't after youi, but something in the same direction. RE: The truth behind Agrippa (and Alexander [spoilers]). - Kein - 02-19-2011 Quote:In other words... Whose the real bad guy?Dat naked dude you can see in the end. RE: The truth behind Agrippa (and Alexander [spoilers]). - Firia - 02-19-2011 It's been a little while since I played Amnesia (but something brought me this way again). But there was something in my initial playthrough that knawed at me. Since it's been so long (rather, a great many things have happened in a short time to sort of make it feel like a very long time), correct me if I get any of these details are wrong. Spoiler below!
RE: The truth behind Agrippa (and Alexander [spoilers]). - Murloc - 02-19-2011 Why was Alexander naked when he was about to go to his homeworld? There must have been a reason for him throwing all his cloths off before proceding with the ritual, or? |