did i or did i not say piracy is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE?
if you want to pirate from EA, or anyone else, then i cannot and will not stop you. but, please, do NOT take my post as a "motivation" to break the law, as it was not intended that way in any way, shape or form.
i am just saying, in my opinion, that if piracy makes EA collapse, i will be sad for all the Developers who will loose there jobs, but i will also see it as an end that has justified its means as it will cause the Entire mainstream casual industry to collapse (and it needs too, casual AAA gaming is killing gaming stone dead, Again, just like it did in '82!) when the wall street money men, like Activision's Robert Kotick, panic, short the stock, float the shares, and run, just like they did when Atari imploded in the "AAA" (industry term for shovelware) crisis of 1983, and the megacorps go bankrupt because they cant afford to pay the staff.
Personally i will NEVER pirate, because its a crime, and CRIME IS WRONG!, Pirates, in my opinion, like all criminals, should be JAILED.
But, its not my place to stop people from doing it, as long as it doesnt hurt me or anyone i care about, its none of my business.
(This post was last modified: 09-04-2012, 08:13 PM by the dark side.)
You are wrong, the dark side.
of course, piracy is a criminal, but it's not always wrong.
Look at real pirates in Somalia. They are criminals, but is the american offense not a crime?
They fishing the ocean, because of mass production for fast money. The industrial fast food production ruins the last basic living for people in Somalia. It's wrong to do nothing, sometimes crime can only fight with crime!
A sheeper has to fight wolves to save his sheeps.
It's hard to say what's allowed and what is illegal. Especially when a law is no more than a human establishing. Who said that that a country is the own of a dictator? God? Of course not.
Same with games, what some big publishers actually do is plague its own fanbase.
In my opinion, DRM is a crime, same as piracy. But piracy is the only way to boycott.
Even though this video isn't about video game piracy it still applies to the ridiculous numbers the whole entertainment industry are throwing at us regarding revenue loss due to pirates.
Just thought I'd share
Socialism (noun): A great way to run out of other people's money.
(09-04-2012, 08:57 PM)Googolplex Wrote: You are wrong, the dark side.
of course, piracy is a criminal, but it's not always wrong.
Look at real pirates in Somalia. They are criminals, but is the american offense not a crime?
They fishing the ocean, because of mass production for fast money. The industrial fast food production ruins the last basic living for people in Somalia. It's wrong to do nothing, sometimes crime can only fight with crime!
A sheeper has to fight wolves to save his sheeps.
It's hard to say what's allowed and what is illegal. Especially when a law is no more than a human establishing. Who said that that a country is the own of a dictator? God? Of course not.
Same with games, what some big publishers actually do is plague its own fanbase.
In my opinion, DRM is a crime, same as piracy. But piracy is the only way to boycott.
Piracy is not a way to boycott, pirating the game shows you still want to play it.
Boycotting a game means you stay away from it.
There is no justification for piracy, at all. Companies work their asses off to produce these games and they do it for the money, if you have not paid money for the product you're using, then you do not have the rights to use it.
thats what i do, if i dont want to play it, (and i dont want to play 90% of todays games), i stay the heck away. at the end of the day, if i do, then ill buy full price, because if i want to play it, its one of the rare "retro throwback" games i really want to own anyway, so i dont mind paying the exorbitant price tag, because i want more of that kind of game made, the only way that will happen is if more people buy and legitimatly download them, so there sales overtake the legitimate sales of the COD clone AAA games, so publishers will stop making the cod clones and start making the throwbacks as they will earn them more money from more legitimate sales and lower piracy.
at the end of the day weather people pirate, or weather people just dont Buy, the result is the same for the mainstream american megacorps, unsustainable money loss, embarasingly poor sales, company bankruptcy, and then a mainstream games crash.
so people, if you want to change the face of gaming, make it crash, get rid of AAA, then, instead of pirate, just, Stay Away, stick to your old games.
(This post was last modified: 09-04-2012, 09:16 PM by the dark side.)
(09-04-2012, 09:05 PM)Traggey Wrote: Boycotting a game means you stay away from it.
There is no justification for piracy, at all. Companies work their asses off to produce these games and they do it for the money, if you have not paid money for the product you're using, then you do not have the rights to use it.
Yes, boycotting means to stay away from it, sorry for my limited english vocabularies, but I mean the right thing.
But I think, to make a casual game is not working his ass off. To make a dumbed down career mode for a casual racing game like NFS Hot Pursuit should be a work of only 1-2 weeks. To work his ass off means to make a game like The Witcher for example (because it is big and complex). Most of acual games are not hard to work, except the programming itself. But story and gameplay ideas failed the sense of a game. Most AAA developers are just working on fast cinematic action blockbuster games. This is not hard work, because there are no puzzles, no interactive mechanics etc. just the automatic engine supports. Hard work is to tell an immersing story, to make a proper game, to make something unique!
But that's an other topic.
What I also want to say is that it's also crime when you buy a lecal copy of the game and you need a third party online software to play it and connect your game for lifetime to an account. People might have different opinions, but in my eyes it is no less crime than piracy.
Best example is the DLC strategy. This is just to plague poeple, to sell unready games in parts that you have to pay 200 dollars for a complete game as it normally should be in first release. And some kinds of DRM are so criminal that you only have a limit of 5 installations. For more installations you need to contact the support. Yeah, the EA support is so bad that you can say it doesn't exist. You can throw your full price 50 dollars game into the waste, when you exceed the installation limit. This is more criminal than piracy, because they steal your money.
no Statyx, i'm just looking at the way the industry has gone and its sales fiqures, i have a background of business education, it was a mandatory subject at the school i went to. and the sorry state of the mainstream industry is looking very similar to 1983, high piracy levels, an industry obsessed with making cheap clones of best selling games and calling them AAA, overpricing incomplete products that need up to 200 dollars worth of "add on" content to make them complete (like googolplex pointed out, except, its not a new thing with the modern "dlc" abilities, it was happening in that cartridge era with Red "add on" cartridges that cost about half the price of a total new game, that you inserted into the machine, then inserted the old cartridge into the top of, and unlocked about 10 new, very buggy, rushed out, levels) sales fiqures that are plummeting through the floor boards with each new game, ever more drastic measures to keep games selling (EG the rumours that the next gen consoles wont even PLAY second hand games, i doubt they are true as, in the UK at least, that is ILLEGAL, but it does show how desperate the industry is) marketing boards acting with blind stupidity, keeping making AAA clones, despite the flagging sales fiqures showing the genre(s) oversaturation and the people have had enough of them. big corparates on the verge of collapse, studios shutting at a rate of nealry one a week, games getting more and more rushed to market for the "big selling seasons". exactly the same business models and chains of events that lead to the 1983 games crash. its not a conspiracy, its simple comparison of cold hard business numerical data to business history.
(This post was last modified: 09-04-2012, 09:33 PM by the dark side.)
No no, I get your point clearly, I understand how the industry is changing and without even knowing it, I'm becoming more and more of an indie-lover each day. It's simply the way you're expressing your ideas that makes you seem boastful and almost angry, or otherwise frustrated.
Unfortunately, this is the way gaming is heading. Before, it was known as child's play in arcades. But it's grown substantially over the recent years and is becoming the leading entertainment business. It's only common knowledge to know that it was going down this path with big-wigs taking control to suck in the money... Which, is why I am falling for the indies. Originality mixed with love of its creators. Not a salary contract.
i am not the best at explaining, no, i give you that. Frustration is the correct description as to how i feel, as often i do get frustrated at the fact i struggle to explain what the problem is to an NT (Neurologically Typical) audience, and yes, that does get me angry, compounded at my anger at the games industry because its stupid, outdated, obsession with a dying genre is stopping me from getting my own IP made, ive had dev interest, even publisher interest, but every time, its been shot down by the "marketing board" because its a "throwback" to the "pseudo modern" era and not a "modern AAA shooter".
i also get really angry when people (cough, look on the "marketing" thread, Cough) get nasty with me for repeating the terms "call of duty clone" etc, because i dont know how else to explain it without confusing people,. so i use that term because at least that way the whole forum knows what the issue is, people, if you want me to stop using those terms, tell me how else to explain it instead of getting nasty with me please!
dont worry about gaming though, we will get another hardcore, indie led era again soon, as i said, the big wigs took over and started to suck lots of money out before, back in the late 70s, and there greed resulted in a game getting so rushed out, it was unplayable (the notorious "E.T"), the resulting returns, lawsuits, and loss of revenue bankrupted the publisher, the wall street moneymen saw that there cashflow was drying up, panicked, floated the shares and shorted the stock and ran, the result was the 1983 games crash. the indipendant companies and the developers who survived kept it going with some pretty neat little RPG games, and gaming recovered so we got the glory era of the late 80s and early 90s, before gaming got massive again in the early 2000s, wich baught the big money men back on board, restarting the cycle of AAA gaming and money sucking, and greed, wich will, inevitably, lead to another crash within, looking at the state of todays mainstream industry, id say, the next 2 years, its just history looping itself.
(This post was last modified: 09-04-2012, 10:01 PM by the dark side.)
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