The "What are you listening now?" thread

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Have you played Chopin yourself?

Chopin is expressive and colourful, but far from being unpredictable. Some of his pieces, especially his nocturnes, have often be alluded as being almost aphrodisiac (they tend to entrance the audience into a dream-like state). Rubinstein is highly skilled at the essential cantabile or singing tone alongside the perfect degree of rubato. From my personal experience, Chopin is all about maturity, which is what separates him from most other romantic composers. One needs to be calm and collected when playing his pieces, but at the same time his notes must be sung clearly. He is not the flamboyant, unpredictable, and prideful Liszt, whose pieces are capricious and bombastic. Chopin needs to be played like a singer on stage.

Now if you want a highly skilled Chopin interpreter who has indeed the expressiveness you're looking for, I recommend Argerich:

I don't think he is highly skilled at the "essential cantabile tone", in fact the bass slightly drowns out the melody often in his playing, which I find usually colorless. Also, his rubato is a joke. It is usually barely perceptible ritardandos in the most useless moments. Also completely disagree about Chopin not being unpredictable, in fact, he is purportedly among the finest improvisers in all of the history of music, and often gave entire public performances based around improvisations alone. Not to mention, he is unpredictable in the sense that even after listening to any given Chopin piece hundreds of times, I am still delightfully surprised at his note choices, which are nothing short of inspired. Also completely disagree about him being mature, calm and collected. Why use pathetic acciaccaturas, appoggiaturas and tempo rubato if you want the music to be played calm and collected (which is how Rubinstein plays it)? It's pure expression, with a great deal entrusted to the performer and his expressive intentions. Chopin doesn't "need" to be played any way, which is one of the best things about his music.

Bottom line, Rubinstein plays Chopin like other pianists would Mozart. There's nothing wrong with Mozart's music or the way it is played, but Chopin requires a great deal of delicacy and subtlety when it comes to tempo and dynamics, which I find Rubinstein completely lacks. You can talk all you want about how perfect he is, I just him depressing to listen to and I think he ruins Chopin. Hey, I acknowledge his interpretation, it's just as "valid" as anyone else's, and I respect your opinion if you feel it is the quintessential Chopin. But personally, speaking from many many hours of listening to Chopin, reading about him, and indeed playing him (although I only know half of one of his nocturnes so far), I think Rubinstein doesn't understand him. As always, Claudio Arrau is by far the greatest. He keys in on all of the most powerful subtle moments that Rubinstein clumsily ignores, glides smooth as water through the delicate graces notes that Rubinstein forcefully (and bene in tempo) pushes past, enunciates with perfect clarity and expression the beautiful melodies that Rubinstein states dryly and stirs the listeners emotions with meticulous tempo rubato that Rubinstein construes as obligatory speeding up/down. I realize much of this is an extreme oversimplification; Rubinstein is a technically proficient pianist and none of this is due to inexperience.

Just do yourself a favor and buy Claudio Arrau's nocturnes and you will understand why I consider Rubinstein to be so lackluster.

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[Kman]

Dammit why can't there be any other skramz kidz here that I can talk with



One of the best albums from last year



Draws a tooon of influence from power violence, but emo violence is a fucking stupid genre tag so lol fuck that



Well it has a member from Orchid in it so it's pretty much guaranteed to kick ass

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Dammit why can't there be any other skramz kidz here that I can talk with



One of the best albums from last year



Draws a tooon of influence from power violence, but emo violence is a fucking stupid genre tag so lol fuck that



Well it has a member from Orchid in it so it's pretty much guaranteed to kick ass

Lol dude the second song reminds me of that old band called Anal Cunt I think?
And yea, those emo scene fags are ruining the metal world.

[Kman]

Actually Anal Cunt are debatably a power violence band (they tend to be closer to grindcore but ehh) so I can see where you're getting that. But yeah I get where you're coming from with hating scene kids since they can be really fucking annoying. The sad thing is most of them don't even know what true emo music is because the terms emo and screamo have been so distorted by the media that almost no one knows what the term means anymore, and instead everyone thinks that emo/screamo = shitty post hardcore for scene kids. Actual emo/screamo is much more soulful and creative and doesn't have guys wearing fucking eyeliner (hence why I used the term skramz instead, since that's the term people who are fans of "real" emo/screamo use instead so people don't end up thinking you're talking about scene shit).

But yeah, if you want to hear what real screamo is it's this kinda stuff (and the stuff I posted in my last post):

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[Bridge]

So, Sarcophagus, are you among the enlightened?

[Sarcophagus]

If you call it like that, sure

[Bridge]

If you call it like that, sure

I don't mean to be an elitist, but they are not really that well known outside of Ultimate Metal. I find that sad considering Nespithe is one of the best metal albums ever made.

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If you call it like that, sure

I don't mean to be an elitist, but they are not really that well known outside of Ultimate Metal. I find that sad considering Nespithe is one of the best metal albums ever made.

There are a lot of great bands that are not well known

I have the reissued version of Nespithe with bonus tracks on my computer,if you want the torrent file just tell me