Is the collaboration with TCR good or bad?

[Traggey]

Are you people even TRYING to come up with an intelligent response? You read what I posted, misinterpreted it a lot, and then verbally attacked me just because my opinion is different from yours, just because my opinion is different doesn't mean it's wrong and just because I disagree doesn't mean you're wrong either

It's entirely subjective, the OP post asked for our feelings, not for you kiddies to start flaming just because I didn't like Dear Esther or that I don't like TCR in general

Personal oppinions are stupid things to use as arguments sir, I for one loved playing through Dear Esther, and so did many others. Your argument is invalid sir.

Please re-read

I stated my own opinion of Dear Esther, and then I stated why someone saying that just because a game is 'art' it's acceptable for it to be fairly bland is stupid, just because that is an opinion does not make said opinion invalid, both sides for or against Dear Esther in the whole 'it's good or bad' have valid points

Your argument is invalid for stating that mine is invalid just because it differs from your viewpoint

Yeah sure The Chineseroom hurts AMFP's potential even when there would be no AMFP without them.

Why do you even think they feel like the gameplay of Dear Esther is good and works for survival horror? It was just an old experiment with games and storytelling.

Discussing about whats art does not belong here. My toilet is art.

AaMFP will be shit for you if you have an attitude like this.

Bullshit, Frictional could make the game without their help, to say there wouldn't be a game at all is absurd

And no, it won't be shit for me, I saw the trailer, I fully expect it to be amazing, this is just a result you NOT READING WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID

I said the potential of A Machine For Pigs won't be as great as it could have be if Frictional Games wasn't directly in charge if designing it, because they're ultimately in charge of the whole thing, it'll still be great, but it won't be as great as if they alone had designed it.

I didn't say it would be shit, or bad, or boring, or not scary, just that it wouldn't be as good as it could have been

Jesus christ

Hunter of Shadows is just bitching because he didn't like Dear Esther - the problem is that he is now assuming that just because he didn't like one game from thechineseroom that the rest will automatically suck.

No I'm not, learn to read please

And I'm SO SORRY, that it is human nature to have your perceptions of a group/company/person be colored by how you perceive their works and products, I have not been satisfied with anything TCR has ever come out with, and therefore I fully expect to be disappointed with them in the future, this is no different from how your boss at work regards you depending on the work you do.

And keep in mind, once again, I'm not saying A Machine for Pigs will be bad just because of this collaboration, FG is ultimately in charge, and that ultimately means the final product will be excellent, I'm merely saying it won't be as good as it could have been

That is of course ridiculous - using that analogy (and turning it on its head) I should, for example, love all of Ridley Scott's films (I love Alien, Blade Runner and Kingdom of Heaven: Director's Cut) - but I don't, many of his films suck pretty badly.

That is a horrible analogy

I understood perfectly what you wrote sir and at no point did I claim that your viewpoint is wrong, you may think whatever the hell you wish. I merely said that you are trying to make an argument out of a personal oppinion, which is never a good thing because it can in no way be backed up or questioned by anyone else.