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Actually, I'd argue for the naturalistic view of mathematics. Even if all of humanity were to disappear from the universe, the fact would remain (assuming that there is an objective reality) that two plus two equals four, because if you put two apples beside another two apples, there would be four apples.

That said, maths problems and equations are more an unpacking of truths that are already existent within the universe. So, if you solve 3x = 12, for example, you aren't creating a value for "x"; "x" has always been 4 because putting three groups of four apples together would give you twelve apples. The same goes with theorems. Pythagoras' theorem has always existed within nature, it just took some time for us to discover it.

This is exactly my point. Mathematics doesn't need us to exist.

But it needs us(or perhaps some other intelligent organisms) to serve a purpose. A rock falling and hitting the ground doesn't need the existence of mathematics at all, yet the action can still be translated to a algebraic expression or equation. THINK ABOUT WHAT I'M ACTUALLY SAYING!! Yes if you add a single apple to another apple it will result in "two" apples, but this isn't mathematics! This is simply amounts and figuratively "grouping" the separate solids.

If you pour 2 quarters of milk into another 2 quarters of glass, then you'll get the whole of another amount of milk. Doesn't mean that the amount of milk is incomplete otherwise, but just by our understanding of our measurements it wouldn't be equal to one of the measurements we know(figuratively).

For nearly everything we humans encounter, there is a measurement if needed that translates existing amounts into confirmable and understandable measured quantities. We do this with the apples, so that we may communicate and thoroughly understand how many there are. Ancient civilizations did this thousands of years ago to know what size of fucking rock they needed for a structure or other purpose! Counting, Numbers, Addition, Subtraction, Multiplication and Division are all so that we may understand the Universe and our own world and our own problems more easily!
Multiplication is a perfect example of this! 3x3 is the same(or as we translate; equal to) 3+3+3, and yet people will often prefer using the former as it is faster and requiring of less steps!

In a Universe without humans(I'm just now saying any intelligence meaning humans, okay!? Very ironic), a rock hitting another rock in space would just fucking be a rock hitting another rock in space! (Now I actually want you to contradict this one statement, because that'll really help with what I'm trying to say here!)