this used to be about breaking bad but it's kinda just about tv now so idk yeah

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So that's why I consider Seinfeld great.

Oh mother-fucker!

I knew you'd appreciate that.

I also think comparing it to George Carlin is an insult to the man because he is right up there with the great Bill Hicks and Richard Pryor and a mainstream laughtrack sitcom most definitely does not and will never compare in my eyes.

It doesn't compare at all, I agree. I am a huge fan of both Carlin and Seinfeld and readily admit the latter doesn't hold a candle to the former. I was just trying to illustrate what "the joke" was which apparently you find incredibly obvious.

Honestly, I'm sorry for being a little condescending but just from talking to people, both fans and people that hate the show, I can tell you without fear of contradiction that nowadays the show really is misunderstood, and that is personal experience. Just because 90s audience's "got it" doesn't mean the point is as immediately obvious to people watching it now. A lot of people that really dislike it just aren't paying attention, which is why I went through so much effort to spell it out since I couldn't really tell from your comment whether you were. It certainly is "hidden" enough that the majority of modern viewers don't notice it. I especially find it ridiculous you say the viewer is "bludgeoned to death by the joke". I'm not just talking about the fact that there is a show about nothing being made on a show about nothing. It's certainly a major event and it's something I appreciate I do agree that is obvious. I'm talking about - well, everything else. It would take way too much time to go into everything, but the show is filled with irony.

As I said, it's an aesthetic thing. If you don't like it, fine, but I think it deserves some credit, which you do give. I still think you should review the performances, I think they are far more subtle than you realize.

I honestly do consider it great though.