Genders in Gaming Target Audiences.

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howwww was it not clear given the circumstances and language i was using and context that i was referring to online communities among different websites and hobbies. yes of course a bunch of dumbass developers showing off a bunch of boobs isn't comparable to women being mistreated in islam

It wasn't clear, and people in the Western world with all its advances in equality often forget that real sexism is far more boring and sinister than the cloak-and-dagger plots imagined by feminists.

i've already (indirectly) brought up most of these before but w/e

• over sexualization of women
  
• portraying women as objects to be won
  
• portraying men as hypermasculine and emotionless
  
• portraying women as subservant to the man
  

to name a few. obviously given the discussion most of these are focused around how a male viewpoint might effect a product

See, this is where you need to tread very lightly. If these are male undertones that males recognize and appreciate, then men are a inherently sexist gender. I have a huge problem with this contention and especially the idea that women are then not sexist at all and therefore the creation of games should be entrusted to them. I'm not saying you said that, though.

i don't even think some stupid shit like "ALL GAME DEVELOPERS AND GAMERS ARE SEXIST PIGS!@!!@!!!" or anything like that like i said a lot of this stuff i think is simply attributed to ignorance so you can't really blame anyone for it but for that same reason i think its important that we have a discussion about it and actually try and listen when people bring up stuff like this instead of spewing the same old stupid "lol feminism!!! the patriarchy!!!! get it guys its funny cause it doesnt exist hahaha!!" shit that gets thrown around whenever any sort of discussion on womens rights and representation is brought up

Then we are agreed. My only problem is with people attributing this to systematic sexism. There is no dispute about the output, but despite what some people would say the input is not completely unambiguous at all. AKA, correlation does not imply causation.