Sexuality

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You said this discussion has become ridiculous because of the so-called "hate" found herein. If you look at the posts, most of that hate is coming from you. This topic was supposed to be about the position one takes on the subject, not the position you take on other people's positions. Yet, you're not the only one who decided to avoid simply stating their position and not commenting on others' positions. A lot of those who "support" homosexuality used nothing but rhetoric rather than simply stating their position and letting things be. Note that rhetoric proves nothing, and concerning a lot of the posts that used rhetoric shows a gaffe (or more) towards the user of rhetoric.

It is not surprising to yet again realise that those who think that homosexuality is okay automatically believe that those who think homosexuality is not okay are those who are against "equal rights," though not one of us who believe homosexuality is wrong said anything about denying human rights. These are the kind of fallacies (specifically hasty generalisation) that people like you commit when you put aside reason and logic and dive headlong into emotion, insults and rhetoric. If you, and others, do not see the fallacies within your statements, then one should refrain from posting until something intelligent can be said.

Know that "right" and "wrong" is an illusion without an absolute authority, for there is no way you can ever argue that any position is the "right" or "wrong" position versus another without an absolute authority. It is ironic, though expected, that those who support equal rights would turn immediately around and state, "You are wrong and stupid for taking such a position." Either people are equal or they are not; you cannot have a middle man (especially if you ever seek to be seen as consistent and logical).

Know that rhetoric and truth are separate. If you ever choose to use this standard, you would end up stating a lot more intelligent (logical) statements, or at least in some way refrain from rhetoric. Following this standard you would clearly see what is rhetoric and what isn't. "They are stupid," "They are homophobic," et cetera, are rhetoric statements, for no evidence has been given to show that they are (though i don't expect you to be able to provide such evidence). (And it is predicted that you would think otherwise on the case of evidence.) I have seen all these rhetoric statements before, and have debated against them in the past though i realise there is no need to speak against them, for they speak against themselves. But, surely, there has to be a point where something is said before such things are allowed to run rampant.

If nothing i have said at least causes you or anyone else to reconsider the things you or anyone else has said, then i may as well give up on society and let their own ways ruin them. For over and over again i am shown that people learn only the hard way.

As I said: who the hell cares? The semantics of it are completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is this debate is: is homosexuality wrong? The answer is always it is not.In this day and age anyone intelligent should see that deriving someone of the right to behave in a certain way is wrong. We are talking about two otherwise incomparable human beings (one gay and one straight; ignoring all variables). There is no fundamental difference apart from opposing mindsets. You can be all neutral with your "there is no absolute truth" but it's completely pointless. And with that I'm gone.