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[Kman]

wrong place to advertise the "equality", if our society is so amazing they should do it somewhere where it would be more efficient rather than a music competition and that right there was not equality. Equality would be if she had been given the proper place according to her singing.

It's also extremely unfair to competitioners. Eurovision sucks, its true but some singers there still put quite a lot of effort into their songs. Tell you this, as someone that practises very hard, used to practise more than 4 hours a day (before injuries), if someone won against me in a competition just because they were black/homosexual/trans-gender while they absolutely suck, i'd lose my mind xD

but we're no where near equality, especially when it comes to trans people. in fact, the very fact that so many people hold this mindset that we live in a post-oppression society is indicative of how far we are from that. this is a great place for this sort of thig to occur because its a widely known competition and is going to gain a lot of attention and will actually of attention and actually hopefully help get us to a point where we are equal. do you not understand how huge this is for trans rights and acceptance? think about how many people who are struggling with their gender saw this and suddenly felt a little less isolated. think about how many people who didnt even know about genderfluid or trans people that just became a little more educated on gender. think about all the people who were ignorant and bigoted who are a little more accepting because they saw this. think about all the people who are now thinking about their behavior and how they treat minorities because of this (like you probably should be doing right now)

from what ive heard she isn't anywhere near as offensively bad as you're making her out to be. sure she's not amazing and there were probably people in the competition better than her but i'll ask you again; what do you think is more important literally all those things i just listed above or some third rate singer song writer that will be forgotten in half a year getting some money. besides, she has a good voice even if its not incredible, she can hold a melody and has a decent range so really the only reason why i could see someone thinking she's offensively bad is if they have some predisposed negative opinion of her cause she's trans which SPOILER ALERT you kind of clearly do through how you've been speaking in this thread

Well, to be fair, the reason Dogfood and other people say that might be because they honestly don't know what the winner(I guess a she?) wants to be identified as. Nothing weird about that.

its pretty clear she's trying to present as a woman since everything about her other than the beard is meant to look female. if anything i'd bet she's genderfluid or in the process of transitioning mtf. or maybe she just doesn't care and likes to have a beard, which you know, that's cool too

even if that wasn't clear a quick google search most likely would have told you what pronouns she prefers. it's not ok to refer to her as a shemale or a man if she's trying to preset as a woman, and holy shit it is not ok in ANY circumstances to refer to someone who's trans or doesn't conform to gender norms as a thing or an it. that's seriously as bad as if a black person won and someone said "wow i can't believe that dirty nigger won" and its honestly fucking shocking to me that you guys are speaking like this so casually