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RE: Gender - Paddy™ - 10-23-2013 We're barely two pages into this thread and it's already teetering on the precipice of intolerability. Paddy™ Wrote:Please keep it rational, keep the insults to yourselves and if you can't conduct the debate in a personable manner your posts will be deleted. Flaming and provocation, whether direct or not-so-subtly encoded in passive-aggressive turns of phrase, will be ruthlessly searched for and removed. RE: Gender - Tiger - 10-23-2013 (10-23-2013, 04:26 AM)Abraxas Wrote:(10-23-2013, 04:19 AM)Alardem Wrote: Uhm... Yeah, I'm out. RE: Gender - VaeVictis - 10-23-2013 (10-23-2013, 06:04 AM)failedALIAS Wrote: Oh. The 'controversy' is that the effects of it more blatantly and violently against women. Again, all suffer, but women more so because of the violence it perpetuates. (10-23-2013, 09:08 AM)Tiger Wrote:(10-23-2013, 04:26 AM)Abraxas Wrote:(10-23-2013, 04:19 AM)Alardem Wrote: I apologize if that offended you (my response). I'll delete it if it'll help things. Granted, I still agree with the post by the by, but I'll tone down my response. RE: Gender - Paddy™ - 10-23-2013 (10-23-2013, 04:19 AM)Alardem Wrote: P.S. Just throwing your hands up and saying "Ah, some men will be bad" is a cop-out. You and I, as men, can do something to help other guys be less casually dismissive of the female gender. The fact is that you shouldn't get angry when a girl complains about issues that affect her - it's not a personal attack on your gentlemanly conduct, and reading into it as such is not a grown man's way of discourse. A thick skin is necessary for the internet, if not a thick skull. Text-wall incoming: Spoiler below!
RE: Gender - Nice - 10-23-2013 (10-22-2013, 11:54 PM)Kman Wrote: in regards to dogfood's post in regards to kman's reply. no. First of all, the link you gave me says "page not found", second, I dont know how it's like in the USA but in my country it doesn't matter how old you are, how bad you smell or which sex you are. EVERYONE gets payed the same, depeding on their work position. I have never witnessed a female IRL complaining or getting trouble for applying to a job because she was a female. Infact, if you read my post the only thing i witnessed was how a male got removed from his work so the female could take over. Simply because of the gender factor. YES because of that, that guy happens to be my friend and he asked his boss about why he got fired. The boss said "Sorry, but female waitresses are better". If a guy dresses up funny, he's gonna be just as shamed as if a woman would be. If not more. And just like magazines with women imply that women should look the sexiest, should wear the most suggestive clothing and wear excessive make up to look better. There's also the rule for males...According to media, society or whatever, real men shouldnt cry, real men should be buff as hell and have 6 packs, real men should be gentlemen and real men should know everything technical stuff...Otherwise they aren't "men" RE: Gender - Bridge - 10-23-2013 (10-23-2013, 04:19 AM)Alardem Wrote: Study feminism. Get involved with it. Look at how the problems of the women in your life differ from yours. Have you even read my posts? I have done nothing but advocate equality. I know that men are privileged. But I also know that it is not my fault, and I will not stand idly by while somebody claims that it is. It's simply not true, and generally I try to correct people when they spout falsehoods. Quote:Or just question assumptions and the very fact that you got all hot and flustered, thus proving my sarcastic comment about hyper-emotional men! The only thing it proves is that I have no patience for idiocy in debates. You made a patently erroneous post that I wished to refute, and the joke clearly went over my head since I have not read the thread you're referencing. When did I get "hot and flustered"? You made a stupid post that made no sense so I pointed that out. If you made a stupid post about any other issue I would have responded exactly the same way. Quote:P.S. Just throwing your hands up and saying "Ah, some men will be bad" is a cop-out. You and I, as men, can do something to help other guys be less casually dismissive of the female gender. Yeah, how's that working out for you? Last time I checked people are free to believe what they want to believe and it has been shown that time and time again it is very difficult to make bigots see reason. I can only lead by example, which is what I do. Quote:The fact is that you shouldn't get angry when a girl complains about issues that affect her - it's not a personal attack on your gentlemanly conduct, and reading into it as such is not a grown man's way of discourse. A thick skin is necessary for the internet, if not a thick skull. Listen, this is a place for discussion. Somebody makes a post, somebody else responds. If I didn't want to talk to people then I wouldn't be here. You act as if I were gravely offended at Abraxis' words which is simply not true. I know I'm not sexist, so it doesn't matter to me what Abraxis thinks. What matters to me is pointing out that she shows undue resentment towards males in her posts and makes pointless, irrelevant blanket statements about men that do not hold up. RE: Gender - Acies - 10-23-2013 (10-23-2013, 04:38 PM)Robosprog Wrote:(10-23-2013, 01:31 PM)Dogfood Wrote:(10-22-2013, 11:54 PM)Kman Wrote: - zip - Something, something source: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/05/the-biggest-myth-about-the-gender-wage-gap/276367/ I think the fact that career choices differ between men and women are skewing the results of 'a man vs. female pay average'; generally more men go into, for example, engineering while women may search programs which aren't as well payed by the end of the education. The above study mentions: ' "We're trying to compare men and women with the same education, same management responsibilities, similar employers, in companies with a similar number of employees." After controlling for these factors, "the gender wage gap disappears for most positions," she said. ' If the choices of education themselves are a 'forced opression by the patriarchal society during upbringing' (ergo, inposed sub-consciously due to the nature of society, during a child's upbringing) isn't something which I'm ready to debate, 'as the well is deep' in the case of these loop-type arguements. RE: Gender - imgoneimdead - 10-23-2013 im 2 females in a man costume MY GENDER IS NOT KNOWN BY ANY RE: Gender - Kman - 10-23-2013 (10-23-2013, 01:31 PM)Dogfood Wrote: First of all, the link you gave me says "page not found", second, I dont know how it's like in the USA but in my country it doesn't matter how old you are, how bad you smell or which sex you are. EVERYONE gets payed the same, depeding on their work position.guess the since the forum auto shrunk the link it 404'd but yeah just click the one robo posted also this isn't a matter of personal observation, it's a matter of fact that statistically woman get paid less than men. this isn't even just for the US either like that website shows that it applies to p much every country and part of the world (10-23-2013, 01:31 PM)Dogfood Wrote: I have never witnessed a female IRL complaining or getting trouble for applying to a job because she was a female. Infact, if you read my post the only thing i witnessed was how a male got removed from his work so the female could take over. Simply because of the gender factor. YES because of that, that guy happens to be my friend and he asked his boss about why he got fired. The boss said "Sorry, but female waitresses are better".1 personal incident does not account for the experience of women world wide. yes that is unfair on the employers part but that's the opposite of what happens the large majority of the time for example: "The employment-population ratio shown on Chart 4 represents the proportion of the population 16 years and older that are employed." ![]() source: http://www.dol.gov/_sec/media/reports/femalelaborforce/ think that speaks for itself (10-23-2013, 01:31 PM)Dogfood Wrote: If a guy dresses up funny, he's gonna be just as shamed as if a woman would be. If not more. And just like magazines with women imply that women should look the sexiest, should wear the most suggestive clothing and wear excessive make up to look better.yes exactly they're pressured to dress and look a certain way (overly skinny, very revealing, overly feminine etc etc) and yet if someone actually does choose to dress in a more sexual or revealing manor they're generally disregarded as a slut (which is where the whole concept of slut shaming comes from). when was the last time you heard a public school enforcing a dress code because they thought guys were being too revealing? (10-23-2013, 01:31 PM)Dogfood Wrote: There's also the rule for males...According to media, society or whatever, real men shouldnt cry, real men should be buff as hell and have 6 packs, real men should be gentlemen and real men should know everything technical stuff...Otherwise they aren't "men"which goes back to what abrax was saying about the fact that we live in a patriarchal society negatively impacting males too, because it's assumed that men should be strong manly men like you said, which again goes right back to the fact that one of the main reasons feminism still exists is to dismantle the patriarchy also paddy i actually agree with a good deal of your post, a lot of those points and the type of people you're talking about are the ones that take it too far and try to give women a higher position in society then men. most of the people who i've met that consider themselves feminists do honestly just want equality, and after getting past the general hatred the internet has on the matter and actually listening to some of what they had to say it really isn't as bad as you or most other people make it out to be. RE: Gender - CarnivorousJelly - 10-24-2013 Actually I can't figure out how to word what I was going to say, so I'm just going to edit this post and leave this here instead. Carry on - I'll just keep watching from the sidelines |