Religion

**i3670** · 11-09-2013, 10:56 PM

But shouldn't an omnipotent being be able to be both logical and illogical? Since it is all-powerful?

**BAndrew** · 11-09-2013, 11:04 PM

(11-09-2013, 10:56 PM)i3670 Wrote: But shouldn't an omnipotent being be able to be both logical and illogical? Since it is all-powerful?

No it can't be logical*. It can only be illogical.

*Because of the "paradox"

**i3670** · 11-09-2013, 11:44 PM

But it is everything, alfa and omega, nothing and everything, logical and illogical, physical and metaphysical*.

*If it is metaphysical it can't carry anything.

P.S. You didn't answer my edit on my previous post.

**BAndrew** · 11-09-2013, 11:49 PM

(11-09-2013, 11:44 PM)i3670 Wrote: But it is everything, alfa and omega, nothing and everything, logical and illogical, physical and metaphysical*.

*If it is metaphysical it can't carry anything.

P.S. You didn't answer my edit on my previous post.

The paradox proves that an omnipotent entity can't be logical.

If you claim that an omnipotent entity is by definition both logical and illogical then you are wrong, unless you disprove the "paradox".

P.S. It does't matter.

**i3670** · 11-10-2013, 12:04 AM

If the definition of all-powerful is the ability to do and be anything then God should be able to be logical and illogical.

What doesn't matter?

**BAndrew** · 11-10-2013, 12:08 AM

(11-10-2013, 12:04 AM)i3670 Wrote: If the definition of all-powerful is the ability to do and be anything then God should be able to be logical and illogical.

What doesn't matter?

Then the definition is easily proved contradictive due to the paradox. Therefore the definition is wrong.

P.S. The "quietism" or however it is called doesn't matter.

**i3670** · 11-10-2013, 12:16 AM

Yes, I know the idea of an all-powerful being is contradictive just as the an all-good being is contradictive. There are many paradoxes involving God being this and that, and all of them prove that religion shoots itself in the foot if they claim that their God is all-powerful/all-good.

As for the quietism. I know it's irrelevant to the discussion, but I'm curious.

**BAndrew** · 11-10-2013, 12:20 AM

In fact you don't even need the paradox.
Illogical is by definition something that is not logical.

Therefore any entity can't be logical and illogical at the same time.

**i3670** · 11-10-2013, 12:24 AM

Wanna discuss another paradox?

**BAndrew** · 11-10-2013, 12:29 AM

(11-10-2013, 12:24 AM)i3670 Wrote: Wanna discuss another paradox?

Sure.
Free will versus Prophecies.

It can be either the one or the other. Not both. Here's the reason:

If we assume that we have free will then prophecies cannot be true because our behaviour is unpredictable. Also God can't know what we will do in the future because this is not determined.

And vice versa.

If God knows that we will do the X action in the future then we don't have free will because we can't avoid this action.