Gender

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I brought up the issue because it indicates a broken system.

It certainly is. And using another broken system to counter it is not the answer. That is the long and short of this entire debate.

Where did I ever imply 'bitter revenge'? Where did I blame every man ever?

Unfortunate wording. I am not blaming you for that, but feminist extremism. However, I hope you can understand how someone can read some bitterness into your posts, especially considering the context of your comments. As I have been saying the entire time, the argument is not about how unequal each sex is, it is about whether feminism is really the best way to achieve equality. That is what I am arguing anyway.

I never even accused you of sexism.

By extension you did. As I said, I do not even take offense, but take a look at some of your posts again. You paint men with some very broad strokes and you imply (that is how I interpreted it anyway) that it is a collective effort of some sort. You frame gender inequality as being about crimes of some sort committed by men against women. That is fine as an abstract (it is completely true), until you stop referring to men as a concept and start to refer to the entire male population simultaneously. You told me that I do not understand the problems women go through and that by being part of an oppressive group I do not have the right to make statements. Personally I think that is a bit sexist.

And you're right, I can't force anyone to accept their own privilege (there's that scary 'p' word again!'). It's entirely in your court.

Do you see now why I accuse you of discrimination? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but you are trying to imply here that me, or any other man for that matter is responsible for what other men do, correct? That would suggest to me that you consider us a whole. Instead of "male" being a gender and a social construct, we are a unified force. Problem is, we do not have any leaders and we do not have any control over what the whole does. What, you think by me going out and saying: "guys, stop being sexist!" that sexism is going to go away? I'm powerless. It is hard enough to get elected officials who are obliged to do what's in your best interest to listen to you, how hard do you think it is to get people who do not care about your opinion at all to listen?

Men are rational, intelligent people who can help change a broken system. You're not helpless, you CAN help change this system. But only once you forfeit the idea that da womenz are out to get you.

As I've said before I can not. And I am certainly not suggesting that women are "out to get me". If you even read an ounce of that into my posts then I would ask you to abandon that idea because I said nothing of the sort.