Amnesia: A Machine For Pigs Discussion Topic Part 1

[wretic91]

DERPDERP I WON'T STOP SPAMMING ABOUT MY CHANNEL

[Danny Boy]

Wait.... frictional games are makeing a sequel to Amnesia? hmm why? why a sequel? i mean Amnesia the Dark descent was a great game but i don't think a sequel is needed... i mean the sequel will have a new character that again will lose his memory? again after he went to an expedition to another country? it sounds kinda strange doesn't it? i mean if the story is good/ game is good i will buy it, and if you are working whit thechinseroom the story at least will be good thats for sure. but if you guys are indeed going to make a sequel of amnesia i just have some notes for ya!:

1- Keep the custom stories! the custom storys are one of the best parts of Amnesia itself! the possibility to keep playing the game even do whe already finished the original story

2- make it even scarier then Amnesia... i mean it! FOR THE GOOD SAKE DON't MAKE IT LESS SCARY!!! ITS AN AMNESIA SEQUEL FOR THE GOD SAKE!!! AND THATS MEAN IT HAVES TO BE SCARIER THE THE ORIGINAL GAME!!!

thank you!

[Googolplex]

No and yes.
No, because it is in modern time, other environments etc.
Yes, because the gameplay is the same, same physics and handling.

[TheGrandHero]

Do you think that Penumbra is in the same universe of Amnesia? Just LOTS of years later?

The "soul jars" that appear in both games would lead me to say yes.

[Sexbad]

... is just bad trash, but even its singleplayer campaign hasn't yet devolved into something bad enough to rival the brainless HOLD-W fest in Dear Esther.

Actually you can finish first level of Black Ops with only pressing W button for a little time.

DE comes nowhere near that because it relies on conveying its world, story and emotional value in a completely uninteractive way, almost exactly like it would if it was a visual novel.

Actually some visual novels have much more interactivity and require some critical thinking in some points. They are evolving too.

Thing is, in Blops, there are still people trying to kill you. If you just hold W like you would in Dear Esther, you'd still die. Even though it's terrible, there's still a slight element of challenge.

I don't get how visual novels can be interactive when, well, they're novels. There is not a semblance of interactivity in DE. The only controls you have are for walking, and since there is no feedback to walking, it is not interaction, but only action, and a very basic form of action at that. When you walk, DE reveals more monologue and landmarks, comparable to what you get when turning the pages of a book or strolling through a museum (these two things, for instance, are not interactive).

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I'm afraid all of that went a little bit over my head, can you dumb it down perchance?

Interaction is at the heart, soul, core, whatever of good game design.
Dear Esther has no interaction, merely a basic system of action (without prefix inter-, see my response to Tans above for more explanation)
Without interaction, the world is just something pretty to look at. It's barely explorable, and by the time you enter the caves, any hint of straying off the rail is gone completely.
Without interaction, the story keeps itself at a distance and refuses to actually challenge you to figure things out. Rather, it just delivers itself like it's a book, which is something a few damn good games have already evolved from.
Without interaction, the "game" can't put you in a situation that would make you feel whatever emotion it wants you to feel, like smart in Portal 2, badass in Arkham City, energetic in Doom, or afraid in Amnesia. Again, it relies entirely on delivering this feeling like a book would.

It's not that books are bad at telling stories or making you feel emotions. It's just that games can make use of actual interaction and do these things so much better.

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comparing de to cod and mario omg 2 deep 4 me

And you're already on the defensive for no reason. Is it really that much of an insult to you if these people wanted to try one game that is solely based on walking around their island and slowly taking in the story and environment details? It was an important aspect to them, that's how they wanted Dear Esther to play. Emphasis on Dear Esther, that's not how they want all games to play. They've already done more gameplay heavy experiments in the past, and obviously will be in the future.

The point of his comparison wasn't to put those games down. He is just pointing out how broad of a category "Video Game" is and that Dear Esther is one, like it or not.

Of course I'm on the defensive. These people have made a title that involves the single dumbest example of game design in the history of game design and they try to make it sound deep by comparing it to games famous for their simplicity, like many Mario titles or the Call of Duty franchise. They want the depth of their story to overshadow the shallowness (rather, complete drought) of their gameplay, so they pick on other titles that don't have stories at all. That's a monumentally cowardly attempt to try to make critics of their title look like fanboys of generally shit franchises. If someone can't get enough Cawhdoohty, then Dear Esther, regardless of its quality, is probably not going to please him at all.

[Darkchef]

I severely doubt that the new game is going to be a walking game like Dear Esther ... sure that game had little interaction but they are using the HPL2 engine to create this, specifically designed survival horror. I don't really see how it could go too wrong and thechineseroom could bring a lot more environmental design into the mix which could be interesting.

In other words, wait until its released, play it and then formed some well grounded views. The flame wars are ridiculous...

[Darkchef]

Hi everyone ,



my previous post was in Dutch, but i wont do it again so people dont know what im saying so. Here is another Dutch Video i made just to keep the dutch amnesia players up-to-date. (this time i didnt made subtitles for this video) sorry (other language) people . Well i read the text in English so.. thats the only thing you guys will understand



Here is the video



Thanks for reading this!



Wretic.









its still processing.. (when its done you will see it in 1080P.)

Yeah i hate to disappoint you but that's all been available on http://www.nextfrictionalgame.com/ for ages now...

[xPICKLEMONSTER]

I thought it was going to be called:
Amnesia: The Dark Swarm
I doubt they will call it:
Amnesia: A Machine For Pigs

[Googolplex]

It will not be a sequel, it will be something new.
The Dark Swarm never was the name of the game, it's only the name of the server.
It called: A Machine For Pigs

[SonOfLiberty796]

I severely doubt that the new game is going to be a walking game like Dear Esther ... sure that game had little interaction but they are using the HPL2 engine to create this

Exactly ^ so everyone stop complaining and wait for a trailer or something