Fantastic Anti-piracy Statement

[darkely]

All I am saying is that. If I go to the gaming business. Which I am planning to. It would be a pain in the ass not being able to buy bread because some guys uploaded the game to some website and people just so happen to prefer downloading it for free something I did not authorize instead of buying the game.

If you make a good/great game and expect no one to upload it than that is simply being naive. Some things will never change piracy/illegal sharing will always be around in one form or another.

[eliasfrost]

All I am saying is that. If I go to the gaming business. Which I am planning to. It would be a pain in the ass not being able to buy bread because some guys uploaded the game to some website and people just so happen to prefer downloading it for free something I did not authorize instead of buying the game.

If you make a good/great game and expect no one to upload it than that is simply being naive. Some things will never change piracy/illegal sharing will always be around in one form or another.

That doesn't mean we have to accept and go along with things being that way.

[Danny Boy]

Exactly.

I don't want anything near SOPA but at least harsher means to control websites that distribute games or movies.

Also games and movies should be cheaper and more easily accessed to. Because those are the major reasons to why people pirate in the first place.

[Bridge]

I don't disagree with you guys in theory. But it is necessary for someone to play the devil's advocate so that people don't attempt to pass on unfounded claims as fact. I hate to say it, but it is nobody's fault that your product doesn't sell well. Piracy will always exist, and people do not pirate because the option is available. If you want people to buy your product, I recommend studying marketing in extensive detail. I personally don't pirate games by the way, if you guys were wondering.

EDIT: I just want you to realize that what you are proposing is an affront to democracy. The internet is the only true democracy that exists, and putting any restrictions on it is abhorrent in my opinion. Yes, I realize that international laws do apply, for example against child porn and snuff, but placing restrictions on something which is not really illegal is fascism. Not to mention, completely pointless.

[darkely]

My point is: anyone who thinks that piracy is going to end or be almost gone is chasing a pipe dream. People will always want things for free whether it be physical or digital - they will find a way. Sorry.

[failedALIAS]

You make a chair. It's a beautiful chair that you worked on for a year or more. The chair is a foundation model, because a certain technology has been invented that allows for the chair to be grabbed and then a copy of it pulled out, wasting nothing in the process. (I know that's impossible, but it's essential for my example.) What you DO pay money for is advertising the chair, and building the chair to begin with. Most people, however, refuse to pay for a copy, instead sneaking into your house and taking a copy for themselves. In an attempt to solve that problem, you spend more time and effort building defenses. They get through these, because there are more of them and they will do quite a lot to avoid paying. So then, you are unable to pay yourself back for the thing you slaved over. You lose your home and everything, and die the victim of a gang rape. . . of chairs.

[Kman]

Lot of the posts in this thread actually made me want to gouge my eyes out so I thought I'd offer my own opinion on the matter. To start, I am most definitely a pirate. As some of you may have noticed with my constant spamming of the music thread, I listen to a lot of music, and to keep up with a hobby like that there's almost no way you can acquire all of that legally. If I actually paid for all the music I listened to... I'd be in a lot of debt.

Now, with that said, I really don't feel any shame in doing this and I don't think it should be any different if we're talking about games really. I know it's been said before, but piracy will never end. There is no way to stop it indefinitely, even if tons of new copyright laws were put in place that eliminated every illegal download out there, people would still find a way around it. Lending friends copies of games, bootlegging movies, etc. From here on out piracy is always going to exist. Period.

Now with this said, if I'm gonna be honest the only people who are at fault here are the companies that can't learn to accept this and adapt to it, but rather feel the need to stay set in a marketing scheme that's been long out dated. And really, there's plenty of ways to do this. For example, this record label: http://quoteunquoterecords.com/albums.htm . Everything they've put up on that site is free to download, with a simple Paypal link on the page of each band/album. And believe it or not, pretty much all of the bands that I actively listen that are signed to it get a decent amount of profit from it, enough at least to continue making music based off that marketing scheme alone.

In fact, the guy Jeff that started it up said since he's started putting out his bands stuff using this strategy they've started to make way more money and have gotten way more attention than they had gotten when they were relying solely on physical sales.

This is just one example of course, there are plenty more that apply to pretty much any sort of media that's "suffered" from piracy in the past. Kickstarter, for example. Pretty much anyone can put up their idea for a game there and raise more than enough money to make it based on donations alone, so really there's no reason for people to be complaining about not being able to get enough money to live or keep their business going. Sure, that's not a fix for piracy when it comes to gaming or other projects funded by it, but it shows that if you make good content people will be willing to donate.

So stop blaming pirates for game companies being too lazy to adapt. There are plenty of alternative ways to put out your games that work around piracy. Am I saying that pirating is completely ethical? No, not by a long shot, but it's never going to go away; if anything it's just going to become faster and more accessible. If companies can't understand that and learn to deal with that, well, tough. It's their own damn fault.

[Adny]

oh really, thats what you think eh kman?
well you listen to me you conceited, arrogant, cowardly, pathetic little pussy! you AINT got the right to talk to me, or anyone else for that matter, like that, you think, that because you can sit in the corner of your moms attic, fapping away to MLP videos like the twisted, subhuman, deformed little pervert freak you are, you can type what the fuck you want?, well quess what, you cant!

in fact, youve just spurred me on to stay. i was gonna leave, cause im sick of the bloody piratez here, but not now, now im gonna hunt you
im gonna find every thread you are in, and i WILL derail it,. i WILl slam every post you make, and i WILL even break my own rules, and TROLL you!


you think you talk to me like that? do you.Well go fuck yourself kid! i eat better things than concieted stuck up little brain dead worms like you for breakfast!

from now on kman, i am gonna Fucking DESTROY YOU!, so you had BETTER pray the mods ban me, because thats the only way im gonna stop, before i send youi out of your pathetic, scum dripping,. poisionous, bloody minded, Subhuman, Inferior Moronic Little Brain!

now that is established. now this goes back on topic.

[Kman]

that really needs to be a copy pasta

[darkely]

Lot of the posts in this thread actually made me want to gouge my eyes out so I thought I'd offer my own opinion on the matter. To start, I am most definitely a pirate. As some of you may have noticed with my constant spamming of the music thread, I listen to a lot of music, and to keep up with a hobby like that there's almost no way you can acquire all of that legally. If I actually paid for all the music I listened to... I'd be in a lot of debt.

Now, with that said, I really don't feel any shame in doing this and I don't think it should be any different if we're talking about games really. I know it's been said before, but piracy will never end. There is no way to stop it indefinitely, even if tons of new copyright laws were put in place that eliminated every illegal download out there, people would still find a way around it. Lending friends copies of games, bootlegging movies, etc. From here on out piracy is always going to exist. Period.

Now with this said, if I'm gonna be honest the only people who are at fault here are the companies that can't learn to accept this and adapt to it, but rather feel the need to stay set in a marketing scheme that's been long out dated. And really, there's plenty of ways to do this. For example, this record label: http://quoteunquoterecords.com/albums.htm . Everything they've put up on that site is free to download, with a simple Paypal link on the page of each band/album. And believe it or not, pretty much all of the bands that I actively listen that are signed to it get a decent amount of profit from it, enough at least to continue making music based off that marketing scheme alone.

In fact, the guy Jeff that started it up said since he's started putting out his bands stuff using this strategy they've started to make way more money and have gotten way more attention than they had gotten when they were relying solely on physical sales.

This is just one example of course, there are plenty more that apply to pretty much any sort of media that's "suffered" from piracy in the past. Kickstarter, for example. Pretty much anyone can put up their idea for a game there and raise more than enough money to make it based on donations alone.

So stop blaming pirates for game companies being too lazy to adapt. There are plenty of alternative ways to put out your games that work around piracy. Am I saying that pirating is completely ethical? No, not by a long shot, but it's never going to go away; if anything it's just going to become faster and more accessible. If companies can't understand that and learn to deal with that, well, tough. It's their own damn fault.

Just wondering were some of my posts the ones that made you want to gouge your eyes out? if so I'm sorry.