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**Froge** · 11-14-2012, 12:30 AM

Let's not forget, Corinthian, that people like you and me with access to Amnesia and the Internet tend to be at the front of the bell curve.

**Cranky Old Man** · 11-14-2012, 12:46 AM

First of all, people - even bullies - do get framed in this world.
Second of all, all kinds of people - even victims of bullying - can murder too.

I don't believe in justice or laws. I don't believe in murder being bad. It's just a means to an end. I don't see a connection between murder and bad people.

**Nice** · 11-14-2012, 01:04 AM

(11-14-2012, 12:46 AM)Cranky Old Man Wrote: First of all, people - even bullies - do get framed in this world.
Second of all, all kinds of people - even victims of bullying - can murder too.

I don't believe in justice or laws. I don't believe in murder being bad. It's just a means to an end. I don't see a connection between murder and bad people.

So if i decide to kill someone just for the fun of it or because i have a grudge against him its okay ?

**Froge** · 11-14-2012, 01:10 AM

I would say that every case has to be considered contextually. Murder out of immature anger, for example, is hardly justifiable. But that doesn't make murder an absolutely unjustifiable action.

**Zaffre** · 11-14-2012, 01:16 AM

(11-14-2012, 12:46 AM)Cranky Old Man Wrote: First of all, people - even bullies - do get framed in this world.
Second of all, all kinds of people - even victims of bullying - can murder too.

I don't believe in justice or laws. I don't believe in murder being bad. It's just a means to an end. I don't see a connection between murder and bad people.

I have to agree with you, in a sense. Often people who bully or commit crimes have been bullied or had rough times in the past and want to inflict their pain on others. I don't know why people do this, it just makes the world worse. They act like people don't "understand" their pain. It seems like our young generation makes a big deal about little things, like "I just got dumped! Woe is me! I should shoot someone because they need to feel what I feel too!"

Compare it to things that have happened in the past, like the Black Plague. People lost their families to that but they didn't try to hurt others over it. There were suicides but that's understandable. Whenever I see a news story about a teenager killing himself because he lost his girl/boyfriend it's just pathetic. If this is what our generation is acting like now I'm terrified of what they'll be like as parents.

Hopefully they're not "cyber-parents", or the parents who don't care about their kids, and instead just rely on TV, computers, and video games to care for them. They get them an educational TV show, send 'em to the closest school, and just do whatever they want to do. You've got a kid, for God's sake, take care of them!

If you've seen me ranting tonight it's because I'm in a bad mood. I've lost my girlfriend, see, and I tried to kill myself but I couldn't do it and now my parents are putting me in therapy. They don't understand my pain. I should stab them in the heart so they understand the throbs in my poor heart because the world owes me.

**Nice** · 11-14-2012, 01:25 AM

(11-14-2012, 01:16 AM)Zaffre Wrote: Whenever I see a news story about a teenager killing himself because he lost his girl/boyfriend it's just pathetic. If this is what our generation is acting like now I'm terrified of what they'll be like as parents.

this

**Cranky Old Man** · 11-14-2012, 01:40 AM

(11-14-2012, 01:16 AM)Zaffre Wrote:
(11-14-2012, 12:46 AM)Cranky Old Man Wrote: First of all, people - even bullies - do get framed in this world.
Second of all, all kinds of people - even victims of bullying - can murder too.

I don't believe in justice or laws. I don't believe in murder being bad. It's just a means to an end. I don't see a connection between murder and bad people.
I have to agree with you, in a sense. Often people who bully or commit crimes have been bullied or had rough times in the past and want to inflict their pain on others. I don't know why people do this, it just makes the world worse. They act like people don't "understand" their pain. It seems like our young generation makes a big deal about little things, like "I just got dumped! Woe is me! I should shoot someone because they need to feel what I feel too!"

Well, while it's overreacting to shoot somebody because of being dumped, spreading the pain is a way of levelling the playing field. If you can't feel better, then at least you won't feel worse than everyone else. This is why I smile when I see people hurt sometimes. It's a welcoming "Glad you could join us." smile.

**Zaffre** · 11-14-2012, 01:52 AM

(11-14-2012, 01:40 AM)Cranky Old Man Wrote:
(11-14-2012, 01:16 AM)Zaffre Wrote:
(11-14-2012, 12:46 AM)Cranky Old Man Wrote: First of all, people - even bullies - do get framed in this world.
Second of all, all kinds of people - even victims of bullying - can murder too.

I don't believe in justice or laws. I don't believe in murder being bad. It's just a means to an end. I don't see a connection between murder and bad people.
I have to agree with you, in a sense. Often people who bully or commit crimes have been bullied or had rough times in the past and want to inflict their pain on others. I don't know why people do this, it just makes the world worse. They act like people don't "understand" their pain. It seems like our young generation makes a big deal about little things, like "I just got dumped! Woe is me! I should shoot someone because they need to feel what I feel too!"

Well, while it's overreacting to shoot somebody because of being dumped, spreading the pain is a way of levelling the playing field. If you can't feel better, then at least you won't feel worse than everyone else. This is why I smile when I see people hurt sometimes. It's a welcoming "Glad you could join us." smile.

I can understand that. I went through a divorce at nine, and even though I was depressed at first I got better about it, but I think that's the worst thing that happened in my life thus far. I can agree that people overreact about menial things and take it like it's the worst thing to happen to them, and I usually just think to myself "Welcome to the world, buddy." when someone actually gets depressed over something serious.

**Prelauncher** · 11-14-2012, 02:09 AM

(11-14-2012, 01:16 AM)Zaffre Wrote: Compare it to things that have happened in the past, like the Black Plague. People lost their families to that but they didn't try to hurt others over it. There were suicides but that's understandable.

I don't have much to add to this thread. Just wanted to point out that people hurt each others and themselves a lot during the black plague. Jews were getting burnt and murdered by the thousands, flagellants were going from town to town beating themselves bloody and there were a huge amount of looting, alcohol, rape and chaos.

But I agree, the younger generations are ridiculously sensetive and emotionally miserable.

**Zaffre** · 11-14-2012, 02:15 AM

(11-14-2012, 02:09 AM)Prelauncher Wrote:
(11-14-2012, 01:16 AM)Zaffre Wrote: Compare it to things that have happened in the past, like the Black Plague. People lost their families to that but they didn't try to hurt others over it. There were suicides but that's understandable.
I don't have much to add to this thread. Just wanted to point out that people hurt each others and themselves a lot during the black plague. Jews were getting burnt and murdered by the thousands, flagellants were going from town to town beating themselves bloody and there were a huge amount of looting, alcohol, rape and chaos.

But I agree, the younger generations are ridiculously sensetive and emotionally miserable.

I was not aware of that fact, thank you for informing me. Still though, that was the Black Plague, which is looked down upon as one of the darkest times in history. It's more understandable to go insane over your family dying of a plague then of losing your girlfriend.