Just because learning Chinese is harder doesn't mean French is easy. But yeah, I'm probably just not cut out for it. I learned English really easily, but I guess it's much harder when you've lost interest in learning it.
French is hard to pronounce correctly, and the written language looks completely different in paper than the spoken language does. That is what I know for sure about that. Otherwise, I've heard people saying its grammar is still relatively easy, if you have a germanic or even better, romance language as your mother tongue.
It would be wrong to say it's easy, and I do believe that, but compared to hardest languages, it belongs to the group of easiest, or at least according to that author and that website.
The real thing that makes everything hard, is called language unrelation: for instance, if you ever come to even considering to learn Finnish, Estonian or Hungarian, think twice, those languages are not Slavic, not Germanic, not Romanze, nor Latin. They do not even belong to the same language tree, which is Indo-european, and which 97% of all European languages belong to. They belong to their own tree of Finno-Ugric. This is the difficulty behind them, they're unqiue, alien.
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(10-15-2014, 05:55 PM)RedKnight Wrote: I'm scared of ebola now...
I think i heard that someone from the netherlands is diagnosed with ebola.
So scared that it might spread over the country where i live...
Ebola spreads through liquids, so if the diagnosed patient of ebola is contained in an appropiate manner, there's absolutely no problem. Ebola is dangerous indeed, but it's relatively easy to contain, so if I were you I wouldn't worry that much.
(10-15-2014, 05:55 PM)RedKnight Wrote: I'm scared of ebola now...
I think i heard that someone from the netherlands is diagnosed with ebola.
So scared that it might spread over the country where i live...
Ebola spreads through liquids, so if the diagnosed patient of ebola is contained in an appropiate manner, there's absolutely no problem. Ebola is dangerous indeed, but it's relatively easy to contain, so if I were you I wouldn't worry that much.
Something that is againts that statement.
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(10-15-2014, 10:49 AM)Mudbill Wrote: If You aren't and He isn't, why isn't I amn't?
Amn't is more common than you probably realise. It turns up quite a lot in lowland Scots. (Sounds like "ammunt".)
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Regional accents and dialects of British English are actually quite variable in terms of grammar and pronunciation. For example, take Wooderson, Paddy and me (to name two other people who I think are British but who I guess might have strong regional accents). We probably all speak quite differently, at least to our ears, but in writing we use the same grammar. Regional vocabulary tends to be spoken rather than written. Most people around the world who learn English as a second language learn International English or American English, but if you learn British English, you'll probably learn the standard dialect, RP (Received Pronunication, sometimes called "the Queen's English" or "BBC English"), and so you probably don't come across this sort of slang very often.
(10-15-2014, 01:35 PM)i3670 Wrote: An example of why English is weird.
Guess what word: Ghoti
Another example: The water he had had had had no effect on his thirst.
(10-15-2014, 01:50 PM)Romulator Wrote: English is a lazy language. Pretty much all of its words come from Latin, Greek, Roman or extensive jargon usage. The rest come from international languages, such as spaghetti coming from Italian language.
I'll have to disagree there, Rom. First of all, there really aren't many languages, other than Italian, which have their own word for spaghetti. At least not indo-european languages.
A lot of English words, if not most of them, are native, i.e., Anglo-Saxon (A.K.A Old English). Here's an incomplete list.
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Many of the older borrowed words also have an Anglo-Saxon counter part. This is from the time of the Norman invasion, when the Norman overloads would use Old French and the Anglo-Saxon peasants would use Old English ("anglish"). For example that's why farmers raise cows, but then diners eat beef. Most of our lovely swear-words are very old Anglo-Saxon words.
(10-15-2014, 02:26 PM)Rött Wrote: Yep, easier to pick and change the word pronouncaeable if needed, than invent a whole new one.
English has the largest vocalubary of all, although it loans it words from elsewhere.
I think this is one of the good things about it - English grammar and lexicon is descriptive, rather than prescriptive.
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Some languages, French for example, are quite protective of their grammar and lexicon. New words hardly ever make it into the official French dictionary. As long as everyone can understand what you mean, anything goes in English.
I once had a conversation (read: argument) with a French colleague who insisted that I was pronouncing "French" words incorrectly, but most of the words in question had been in use in English for hundreds of years.
Some words get passed backwards and forwards between English and other languages, especially French, and the meaning shifts, e.g., hotel, hostel, hospital etc..
(10-15-2014, 01:53 PM)Mudbill Wrote: Easy to learn, hard to master.
This is indeed true of native speakers as much as anyone else. In the UK, language education in schools is shocking. It's amazing how many people don't know the difference between there, their and they're (in writing), or don't know how to use an apostrophe or colon, for example.
(10-15-2014, 06:11 PM)Rött Wrote: French is hard to pronounce correctly, and the written language looks completely different in paper than the spoken language does. That is what I know for sure about that. Otherwise, I've heard people saying its grammar is still relatively easy, if you have a germanic or even better, romance language as your mother tongue.
I think French grammar is relatively easy because they have strict rules, compared to English, that is. In English the rules are rarely rules at all.
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We have lots of rules that we learn in school that are just wrong. For example, when we learn spelling we're always taught "i before e, except after c", e.g., receive vs. reprieve... but there are actually more cases where that rule doesn't work.
Others are:
Never split infinitives (e.g. to go + boldly = to go boldly, not to boldly go).
Never end a sentence with a preposition (to which Winston Churchill is quoted to have replied, "That's the sort of pedantry up with which I will not put" because "...that I will not put up with," is supposedly incorrect).
And never start a sentence with a conjunction.
(10-15-2014, 06:11 PM)Rött Wrote: The real thing that makes everything hard, is called language unrelation: for instance, if you ever come to even considering to learn Finnish, Estonian or Hungarian, think twice... They belong to their own tree of Finno-Ugric. This is the difficulty behind them, they're unqiue, alien.
Less widespread languages within the UK: I think Welsh is in Finno-Ugric. And I heard that Gaelic (Scots or Irish) is related to an old Eqyptian language.
Lastly, one thing English has that (apparently) no other language has. Most languages have prefixes and suffixes and they're used to make new words, e.g. re + write. But English also has infixes, which is when you make a new word by shoving an existing word in the middle of another word. It's almost exlusively used for sarcasm and swearing.
@MrBehemoth, sorry but no. Welsh is definitely not Finno Ugric. It would be cool if it was, to be honest.
Go and check the "Finno Ugric" term from wikipedia. There's a full list of all languages which belong to that tree somewhere.
Speaking of suffixies: Finnish depends entirely on them.
For example, pronouns:
I walk = Kävelen, "kävellä(to walk) + len(I suffix)" = kävelen
You walk = Kävelet, "kävellä(to walk) + let(you suffix) = kävelet
To form questions:
Do I walk? = Kävelenkö?, "kävellä(to walk) + len(I suffix) + kö(question particle, which is either kö or ko depending on the vowel harmony)" =kävelenkö
I wonder, do I walk?, Kävelenköhän?, .... + hän(to wonder suffix, which is also han or hän, depends on the vowel harmony) = kävelenköhän in this case.
To form genetive:
My dog = Koirani, "koira"(a dog) + ni(my suffix).
The forum of Frictional games = kitkaisten pelien foorumi, "kitka(frictional) + isten(suffix to form a plural adjective + en = genetive suffix) + peli(game) + en(to form plurar subjective + n = genetive suffix) + foorumi(forum) = kitkaisten pelien foorumi.
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First of all, there really aren't many languages, other than Italian, which have their own word for spaghetti. At least not indo-european languages.