Furguson, Missouri

[Kman]

enjoy your evening, try not to be too racist towards whites in the future! Remember, we all share this world

(thanks elias for linking this a while ago i still use it frequently)

No, you recieved plenty of counter arguments which you ignored

i responded to and dismantled every single one of your arguments here and sourced everything that i was claiming here

to carry on with this ridiculous charade of "ALL POLICE ARE BAD CORRUPT EVIL RACIST PEOPLE LIKE THE GOVERNMENT AND ANYONE WHO HAS ANY SYMPATHY FOR THEM IS RACIST TOO
FUCK THE POLICE"

when have i ever said that

honestly the fact that that's how you interpreted any of the arguments i was making shows you're really not understanding what im saying

Your nonsensical throughout the thread, and just being a twat to anyone who disagrees with your opinion

yet you weren't able to offer a good response to most of my claims

"LOL YOU CANT SAY YOU'RE NOT RACIST THAT MEANS YOUR RACIST"

when did i ever say that

after ridiculous, unfounded claims.

can you really say that when i provided 20+ sources to my argument and basically the only one you've provided was a picture of a guy with a molotov cocktail with no source or explanation and then continued to use that as your only source throughout the thread just to say stuff like "well....... he hads a molotov cocktail.......... CLEARY = violenet protesters EVERYWHERE....... duh......."

You've debunked -fuck all-

i have debunked that:
- brown was involved in a robbery
- the officer was responding to a robbery
- the officer did not shoot out of self defense
- looters and rioters are a prominent part of this situation
- looters and rioters are from ferguson
- the police force are acting in self defense
- protests have been violent

you're right though a pic of a guy with a molotov cocktail is clearly more relevant though

You link to shit that is heavily biased, like Michael Brown robbing the shop, without showing the bad side of what happened.

i linked that video because it specifically highlights that he paid for his rellos and then went on to address the conflict that followed that clip both before i posted the video and after when it was brought up by dogfood again

what was that term you used again "selective manipulation"

You deny shit exists after seeing images of it, then when people are looting

i addressed the looters and violent rioters at face value and then went on to explain with sources how they're a very small minority within the situation and how focusing attention on them is taking away from the issue

you condone it because "they didnt start it".

citation needed

What we are denying is that the black community is blameless as you have made it out to be consistently

you are right i have never ever ever said that the citizens of ferguson and brown himself might be somewhat at fault

That Michael Brown was innocent. Fuck that, you know it's not true but your egos demand that you do not admit it.

1. i provided a video that clearly proves thats false

2. even if he wasn't innocent that wouldn't change anything in this situation. stealing a box of cigars isn't punishable by the death penalty and he made no attempt to attack the officer according to basically every source there is.

The black community should have -stayed- peaceful instead of starting to loot shit, and throw molotovs.

like you're saying im being illogical and have debunked nothing and yet you're still using this argument when i've shown you how its flawed and how its a twisted view of the situation more than once and you still continue to use it?

The rest are just doing their job - but that makes them evil, of course, for wanting to not get fired and to be able to support their families.

i literally could not give a single fuck if they're "just trying to do their job" when their job is to impede on peoples first amendment rights with violent unnecessary force. even if that wasn't the case its been shown time and time again throughout this situation (much of which ive already cited) how the individual cops themselves in this situation are corrupt and fucked up so no i really have no sympathy

You fail to understand that most police are innocent in this situation

https://www.frictionalgames.com/forum/th...#pid303042
https://www.frictionalgames.com/forum/th...#pid303042
https://www.frictionalgames.com/forum/th...#pid303042
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and that Michael Brown was guilty,

false

as are -any- black protestors who have been acting violently in this situation

ive already agreed with this sentiment multiple times in this thread

There are exceptions of course, but again, the police are being ordered to do half the shit they're doing.
But, of course, you'll say they should disobey orders or some shit like that.

when they're ordered that they should use violent militaristic tactics to abuse and dehumanize people along with take away their freedom of speech then yeah im really really going to be judging them if they obey

"EVERY BLACK PERSON IS GREAT AND ALL THE BAD WHITE MEN ARE RACIST."

please show me 1 case in this thread where ive shown this sentiment

The vast majority of the police are innocent.

no

though since you seem to be under the impression that im saying all police everywhere are evil for whatever reason even though i never said anything of that nature: ive seen too many cases of this to not believe that a lot of police men are evil, fucked up and abusive. there are most definitely a lot of good cops that genuinely want to see a change in the world but they're certainly not in ferguson

now would you please stop spending an 45+ minutes a day showing you guys how you're wrong and don't understand the situation and are completely misinterpreting what im saying every day is honestly pretty exhausting

[Kman]

honestly it is fine by me if you are done responding proving you wrong over and over again is e x h a u s t i n g and i feel like given my 25+ sources vs your picture of a guy with a molotov it should be pretty clear whats up here

anyways

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[CarnivorousJelly]

Yeah, it is clear what's up. Calling people m'dear is my thing

In all seriousness though, not all cops are bad. I would know this because I live with one and volunteer during their fundraisers.

[Newsman Waterpaper]

to carry on with this ridiculous charade of "ALL POLICE ARE BAD CORRUPT EVIL RACIST PEOPLE LIKE THE GOVERNMENT AND ANYONE WHO HAS ANY SYMPATHY FOR THEM IS RACIST TOO
FUCK THE POLICE"

when have i ever said that
honestly the fact that that's how you interpreted any of the arguments i was making shows you're really not understanding what im saying

I don't want to get involve but...

if you're siding with the police in this situation you are being racist

[Kman]

In all seriousness though, not all cops are bad. I would know this because I live with one and volunteer during their fundraisers.

i think the police force attracts both the best and worst people, unfortunately. like i said there are definitely a lot of cops that do a lot of good and generalizing all of them is pretty unfair, its just occasionally you'll get situations like this and things go to shit.

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to carry on with this ridiculous charade of "ALL POLICE ARE BAD CORRUPT EVIL RACIST PEOPLE LIKE THE GOVERNMENT AND ANYONE WHO HAS ANY SYMPATHY FOR THEM IS RACIST TOO
FUCK THE POLICE"

when have i ever said that
honestly the fact that that's how you interpreted any of the arguments i was making shows you're really not understanding what im saying

I don't want to get involve but...

if you're siding with the police in this situation you are being racist

if you are siding with the police in THIS SITUATION yes you are being racist. this is the case of a police force oppressing a black community, i have explained how and why in detail with plenty of sources. if you are siding with the abuser in a situation of injustice you are just as much a part of the problem. that in no way is saying that all police are evil and corrupt.

[Adny]

if you are siding with the police in THIS SITUATION yes you are being racist. this is the case of a police force oppressing a black community, i have explained how and why in detail with plenty of sources. if you are siding with the abuser in a situation of injustice you are just as much a part of the problem. that in no way is saying that all police are evil and corrupt.

So what I'm hearing is:

if the races were reversed, no one would care.

[Kman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28816979

literally shown you 3 times now how this proves nothing because you can clearly see the cashier grasping money

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conserv...96040.html

cool i already explained to you how this changes nothing and you ignored it


http://bearingarms.com/police-allege-doz...e-officer/

more than a dozen witnesses and yet this is a report coming from the police in which they cannot list a single one of the alleged witnesses and none have come out with this story thus far. multiple people have come out and directly stated stories that go against the story the cops are telling however

http://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/20...jpg?w=1100

already addressed how bringing up looters is irrelevant here and here

http://cbsstlouis.files.wordpress.com/20...349&crop=1

and again

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3858/14935...1f30_b.jpg

and again

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/8355846d...ssouri.jpg

actually that was from officers shooting tear gas into businesses where people were sheltered and the spark caught the building on fire but nice try

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014...as-looting

this pretty much just backs up what im saying again unless you're still somehow thinking bringing up looters means anything........ somehow???

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/18/business-o...f-looting/

you're literally sourcing fox news i don't even need to argue this one

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/201.../13884055/

how many of these are just going to be random looting shit this is getting old

http://www.pressherald.com/wp-content/up..._Acco3.jpg

im just going to be deleting the rest of these if they're not offering anything new

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/08...story.html

already addressed


https://soundcloud.com/fmnewstalk971/cal...io-8-15-14

i want you to seriously consider for a second that all the sources you're citing that make out brown to be somehow in the wrong or trying to defend the officer have been from his friends or the police themselves, and all but 1 of the people that told accounts of the other story had no relation to either the officer or brown, and one documented the event as it happened via twitter. use your big boy analyzing skills for a second here robo

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/...ael-brown/

oh look the alleged video with DAMNING EVIDENCE THAT BROWN ATTACKED THE COP is private u sure got me. i want you to explain even if he did attack the cop how it in any way justifies what he did.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ilson.html

how many times do i need to say this, it does not matter if he attacked the cop. it does not matter if he robbed the store. it does not matter if he had a criminal history or whatever other bullshit you're going to dig up on this kid, none of those justify the actions of the cop in any way. cops are equipped with tazers, batons, and are specifically trained to be able to handle situations where they may be in danger specifically so they don't have to use measures like this. it doesn't matter how you want to spin this situation, none of it will justify a cop murdering an unarmed man with his hands up begging "please don't shoot" when he had plenty other means of self defense

http://www.newsweek.com/31-arrested-poli...son-265511

1. you're not offering any actual solid proof other than the police force's story while on the flip side there has been photographic and video evidence of the police using live ammunition on protesters

2. jesus fucking christ how many times do i have to say this YES there are violent protesters NO their actions are not justifiable but they are in THE MINORITY of protesters and using this like its some sort of clear representation of what protesters are acting like is silencing their message and is the same fucking propaganda the media has used in situations like this for years and years and years. we have been over this. HOW many times do i have to say this before you fucking get it.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2...76218.html

exact same thing as last one

http://abcnews.go.com/US/michael-brown-s...d=25017247

this literally just backs up all the stories people have been giving so far. he ran and was shot in the back, and then stopped, put his arms up, begged not to shoot and was shot in the head

"A gunshot wound to his arm could show either that he was hit while walking away from the shooter with his back to the officer, or that he was facing the shooter with his arm up, either in a surrender position, defensive position, or other motion, Baden said."

really don't know what you thought you'd get out of linking this??

http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/31/51/44/672...28x471.jpg

more peaceful protesters asking to be treated like human being and peace wow you truly got me with that one

http://static1.nydailynews.com/polopoly_...ooting.jpg

christ i thought you were done with the "well theres looters and violent peopel so CLEARLY protesters = bad ones........" shit

https://twitter.com/jonallendc/status/49...8574023680

i already brought this up earlier in the thread and really does nothing but show how fucking evil the police chief was. and guess what, the new one was just as bad and took up the same tactics as the last within the span of a day. shocker.

https://twitter.com/rlippmann/status/500056048674562050

and you're just going to casually ignore literally hundreds of other twitter posts, videos, photos, and reports of police advancing on protesters before their curfew, forcing protesters out of designated areas, and firing on protesters in their own homes??

what is confirmation bias

http://www.ibtimes.com/ferguson-police-s...ot-1660650

half this has already been addressed half backs up exactly what ive been saying good job

http://fortune.com/2014/08/15/ferguson-i...nequality/

really don't see how this is relevant. you're just proving that black people in the community had been disadvantaged long before this event

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-...-happened/

what are you trying to prove with this



so what we've learned from this excursion is that your most reliable source are big news outlets that have been proven to lie and spread misinformation about issues like this frequently to fit their agenda and "bearingarms.com". good job you really really owned me here.

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So what I'm hearing is:

if the races were reversed, no one would care.

like i don't know how you guys expect me to take anything here seriously when you keep using the """"reverse racism""""" card

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that's the thing like im not even saying that brown and the protesters are totally innocent here, it wouldn't surprise me if he pushed the cop and there have definitely been non peaceful riots but that in no way justifies the actions of the police, and specifically the cop that killed brown. there's no way shooting him in that situation was out of self defense given he was unarmed and on his knees when he was shot. that was bad enough but if you consider that and his actions that followed that along with the long history of police brutality against black people and still think this wasn't a violent act of racism that shouldn't be defended i don't know what to say

that's the thing like im not even saying that brown and the protesters are totally innocent here, it wouldn't surprise me if he pushed the cop and there have definitely been non peaceful riots but that in no way justifies the actions of the police, and specifically the cop that killed brown. there's no way shooting him in that situation was out of self defense given he was unarmed and on his knees when he was shot. that was bad enough but if you consider that and his actions that followed that along with the long history of police brutality against black people and still think this wasn't a violent act of racism that shouldn't be defended i don't know what to say

that's the thing like im not even saying that brown and the protesters are totally innocent here, it wouldn't surprise me if he pushed the cop and there have definitely been non peaceful riots but that in no way justifies the actions of the police, and specifically the cop that killed brown. there's no way shooting him in that situation was out of self defense given he was unarmed and on his knees when he was shot. that was bad enough but if you consider that and his actions that followed that along with the long history of police brutality against black people and still think this wasn't a violent act of racism that shouldn't be defended i don't know what to say

that's the thing like im not even saying that brown and the protesters are totally innocent here, it wouldn't surprise me if he pushed the cop and there have definitely been non peaceful riots but that in no way justifies the actions of the police, and specifically the cop that killed brown. there's no way shooting him in that situation was out of self defense given he was unarmed and on his knees when he was shot. that was bad enough but if you consider that and his actions that followed that along with the long history of police brutality against black people and still think this wasn't a violent act of racism that shouldn't be defended i don't know what to say

how many times am i going to have to bring up this post before you guys get this through your fucking skulls

[Slanderous]

tl;dr but still

Spoiler below!

[Kman]

except all of my sources hold 1 or 2 have direct video or photographic evidence backing up what they're saying where as all yours are pictures taken out of context, """alleged""" reports from the police or witnesses, or just straight up misinformation and propaganda

?????????????

if your argument itself, which it was, was flimsy

yet you were never able to give me a reason why my claims that using looters and violent rioters as a representation of the situation was irrelevant and getting away from the real issue or how the circumstances revolving around whether brown attacked the cop or whether he robbed the store are pointless which invalidates about 3/4 the claims you made

[Kman]

ok im going to spell this out for you

you continued to make the claim that the protesters and cops are equally at fault because of looters and because you cannot blame the whole police force for the actions of the higher ups. i think that's stupid because if you look at my sources its clear that the looters are such a small minority and so few are from ferguson that its illogical to use them to make claims like that, and on the flip side regardless of if the cops made the decisions or not they are still partaking in the violent abuse and silencing of the whole protest, and that includes every cop on the police force. i am talking in terms of the police being in charge of the situation because for the large majority of this event they have been, im aware the national guard have stepped in and was before you said so (whether that's a good thing or not is a different story)

you do not need to directly state you're defending the cops actions when you're directly linking to multiple sources doing just that, any rational person would already assume that. if you're not, great, you're a logical sympathetic person; do not pretend that im pulling claims like that out of thin air when that's what anyone would assume given the situation. the imbalances in wealth throughout the community are directly linked to racism and if you don't understand the intersectionality between racism, classism and class warfare you shouldn't be speaking on this issue

im gonna leave this thread again unless anyone can actually bring up any new points because currently this isn't going much of anywhere